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Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« on: March 22, 2009, 12:20:44 AM »
I've found this plant to be very interesting, I thought you guys might be interested as well.
besides its large, and invasive tendencies, it is also very toxic. I think this would make a good hedge to go around the yard, don't you? :P
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Giant Hogweed is a phototoxic plant. Its sap can cause phytophotodermatitis (severe skin inflammations) when the skin is exposed to sunlight or to UV-rays. Initially the skin colours red and starts itching. Then blisters form as in burns within 48 hours. They form black or purplish scars, which can last several years. Hospitalisation may become necessary.[1] Presence of minute amounts of sap in the eyes, can lead to temporary or even permanent blindness. These reactions are caused by the presence of linear derivatives of furocoumarin in its leaves, roots, stems, flowers, and seeds. These chemicals can get into the nucleus of the epithelial cells, forming a bond with the DNA, causing the cells to die. The brown colour is caused by the production of melanin by furocoumarins. In Germany, where this plant has become a real nuisance, there were about 16,000 victims in 2003.

I wonder, has anyone ever had experience with this plant?

Here are a few related links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Hogweed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaV2jwNT0MQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furocoumarin

I've attached some images of it, and its effect on the skin.


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Re: Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2009, 07:24:44 PM »
A piece of advice from first hand experience: Dont attack it with a penknife :P one week of agony in the sun is a awful pain in the ass. I wonder how we can preform an extraction? Acetone on plant matter then filter and distill maybe?

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Re: Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2009, 07:32:42 PM »
I think the actives would dissolve in acetone since most of the compounds have ketone groups and are cyclic ethers. So acetone and alcohol should work. the only thing I would be worried about is you dried the plant material maybe some of it would get oxidized, and if you were to heat it maybe some of it would polymerize, especially if they were in acidic or basic conditions.

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Re: Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 04:09:15 PM »
Hmmmmm this might be a good idea to plant around guerrilla grows,that way even if the cops do find your pot/poppy plants youlll be able to sit back and smile imaging the suffering there going to have to go threw for fucking with your livelihood.


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Re: Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 12:14:00 AM »
Ho ho ho, excellent idea, as long as seeding is controlled.

It grows like Y.pestis in a middle england slum, and once it gets started, it is a bitch to get rid of, they sprayed the forest near me for several years to eradicate it, killed a whole bunch, but it came straight back.

Its an umbellifer, with a LARGE flowerhead (a foot or more accross), and produces masses of seed per plant, once you have one that survives, you will get more, and more, and more, and......

It got me once when I was younger, I was aware of its properties, and avoided it, just obviously not quite carefully enough one time, and got what looked identical to a black haematoma looking blister on my leg.

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Re: Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 12:13:32 PM »
I would just as soon stay the hell away from it!!! In the UK it is illegal to plant it since its such a bitch to get rid of and it gives some nasty burns/ scars.

I would plant something slightly less nasty around a grow site too in case you end up being kept away from the goodies by it. Brambles or nettles may be better and are just as likely to keep people away (if not more so since not everyone will recognize hogweed for what it is) and are easier for you to remove.
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Re: Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 04:36:00 PM »
Hm, how about alternative nasties, such as tropical nettle species?
Although who is going to want to plant bud outdoors here anyway? it would probably turn out absolute crap in our climate, and besides, sure its illegal, but so too is a large outdoor pot grow :D

For where outdoor ops are practical, I guess how nasty one is prepared to get (and come clothed and equipped to deal with safely) would be dependent on how much one was growing.

Some of those are really vicious, Laportea, Urera, and Dendrocnide species in particular, some can hurt like hell for a couple of weeks, the US species Cnidoscolus stimulosus, spurge/bull nettle has a reputation for inflicting quite a lot of pain, but isn't the 'several hours later you die screaming' kind of thing, but it isn't large enough either to provide the coverage a dense, tough and woody thicket of Laportea

I'd probably go with Laportea sp. Dendrocnide, some are 40m tall trees, Urtica Ferox, a member of the actual stinging nettle family, native to new zealand perhaps, although there is one recorded fatality from contact, apparently from somebody who blundered into a large patch of it. Dendrocnide is apparently capable of killing large animals, the wikipedia mentions horses! some of these tropical stingers are as nasty as plants get, something along those lines got to me on holiday in the middle east and oh jesus did it hurt.
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Re: Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 02:22:45 AM »
Plant mucuna - will enrich the soil, itches so bad that they use it for making itching powder and all kinds of goodies in the leaves, seeds etc.
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Re: Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 02:35:54 AM »
That is one of the plants I would be interested in growing, but it isn't particularly common or easy to get is it?
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Re: Giant hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum)
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2010, 11:28:28 AM »
Actually it wasn't that hard to get - I bought a lb of seeds for $20 from a site that sold it to grow as deer fodder but that site isn't available.  There's a guy on my local yahoo group who sells it for 4$ and a sase.  It used to be grown in florida in between the orange trees in groves because it fixes nitrogen in the soil and blocks other weeds.  I did find that it needs some special help to start indoors - one paper I read suggested soaking it in an acid for 24 hours.  I haven't started that one yet, this has been an unusually cold Florida winter.  I get the powder from Starwest and we take it as a supplement. 
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