I'm really sorry Sedit, I didn't get what you mean resp. what you tried to point out...
Would you be so kind and explain it again?
Would you be so kind and explain it again?
Would you be so kind and explain it again?




). He did, however, want science discussed as opposed to trip reports. 










In this study the role of cytochrome P450 2D (CYP2D) in the pharmacokinetic/pharmacodynamic relationship of (+)-tramadol [(+)-T] has been explored in rats. Male Wistar rats were infused with (+)-T in the absence of and during pretreatment with a reversible CYP2D inhibitor quinine (Q), determining plasma concentrations of Q, (+)-T, and (+)-O-demethyltramadol [(+)-M1], and measuring antinociception. Pharmacokinetics of (+)-M1, but not (+)-T, was affected by Q pretreatment: early after the start of (+)-T infusion, levels of (+)-M1 were significantly lower (P < 0.05). However, at later times during Q infusion those levels increased continuously, exceeding the values found in animals that did not receive the inhibitor. These results suggest that CYP2D is involved in the formation and elimination of (+)-M1. In fact, results from another experiment where (+)-M1 was given in the presence and in absence of Q showed that (+)-M1 elimination clearance (CLME0) was significantly lower (P < 0.05) in animals receiving Q. Inhibition of both (+)-M1 formation clearance (CLM10) and CLME0 were modeled by an inhibitory EMAX model, and the estimates (relative standard error) of the maximum degree of inhibition (EMAX) and IC50, plasma concentration of Q eliciting half of EMAX for CLM10 and CLME0, were 0.94 (0.04), 97 (0.51) ng/ml, and 48 (0.42) ng/ml, respectively. The modeling of the time course of antinociception showed that the contribution of (+)-T was negligible and (+)-M1 was responsible for the observed effects, which depend linearly on (+)-M1 effect site concentrations. Therefore, the CYP2D activity is a major determinant of the antinociception elicited after (+)-T administration.
The pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of the two main metabolites of tramadol, (+)-O-desmethyltramadol and (?)-O-desmethyltramadol, were studied in rats. Pharmacodynamic endpoints evaluated were respiratory depression, measured as the change in arterial blood pCO2, pO2, and pH levels; and antinociception, measured by the tail-flick technique. The administration of 10 mg/kg (+)-O-desmethyltramadol in a 10-min i.v. infusion significantly altered pCO2, pO2, and pH values in comparison with baseline and lower-dose groups (P < .05). However, 2 mg/kg administered in a 10-min i.v. infusion was enough to achieve 100% antinociception without respiratory depression. Moreover, the ?-funaltrexamine pretreatment completely eliminated the antinociception of the 2-mg/kg dose, suggesting that such an effect is due to ?-opioid receptor activation. To describe and adequately characterize the in vivo antinociceptive effect of the drug, (+)-O-desmethyltramadol was given at different infusion rates of varying lengths (10–300 min). Pharmacokinetics was best described by a two-compartmental model. The time course of response was described using an effect compartment associated with a linear pharmacodynamic model. The estimates of the slope of the effect versus concentration relationship were significantly decreased (P < .05) as the length of infusion was increased, suggesting the development of tolerance. Doses of up to 8 mg/kg (?)-O-desmethyltramadol given in 10-min i.v. infusion did not elicit either antinociception in the tail-flick test or respiratory effects. These in vivo results are in accordance with the opiate and nonopiate properties reported for these compounds in several in vitro studies.




I discovered something simple yet amazing...
After my Tramadol source run low I decided to take 50mg of Dimenhydrinate with 70-80% of my average dose of Tramadol.
IT WAS AMAZING!!!
There was heavy nod and oncosious "body melting"/OBE experience.
Experience is much more like real-deal opiates and less speedy than pure Tram
and nods are much more stoning(nothingness) than trippy as ussual.
Sleep was great,effects lasting full 24h (lets say that last 6h were kind'a afterglow.)
and depression that follows few days after 5-HT system stimulation was lower than usual.
^ Carr KD, Hiller JM, Simon EJ (February 1985). "Diphenhydramine potentiates narcotic but not endogenous opioid analgesia" ([dead link]). Neuropeptides 5 (4-6): 411–4. doi:10.1016/0143-4179(85)90041-1. PMID 2860599. http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/0143-4179(85)90041-1



































maybe you found the one with the best effect.yep could be, tho as Oerlikeron man said,, and btw the way bro ,,I like your posts
) "Probably best and easyest to get semi-legal high that will remain so for long time!







i used to mix heroin with dimehydrinate so i wouldn't puke up a storm.















