Author Topic: LSA deprotonation by alkoxides? (and subsequent alkylation)  (Read 104 times)

atara

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LSA deprotonation by alkoxides? (and subsequent alkylation)
« on: November 10, 2010, 07:43:41 AM »
The amide moiety on lysergic acid amide has a pKa of about ~17 (I don't know this, really, I'm just assuming it's similar to acetamide) and can be deprotonated in strongly basic conditions -- as long as they are dry enough to prevent hydrolysis. While alkylating an amide is difficult, alkylating the conjugate base of an amide is (presumably) not, and should be possible with a typical alkylating agent such as diethyl sulfate or diethyl carbonate. Haloalkanes are unsuitable, since they will dehydrohalogenate in the strongly basic reaction conditions. A suitable base might be lithium isopropoxide, available from the reaction of lithium with dry isopropanol. Lithium tert-butoxide would be absolutely superior, or perhaps lithium 2-methyl-2-butoxide, since 2-methyl-2-butanol is possibly easier to obtain via RC sites than tert-butanol via chemical suppliers, and RC suppliers aren't in bed with the DEA. Lithium alkoxides can be prepared by reaction of the alcohol with lithium.

So, the idea is LSA + ROLi + Et2SO4/Et2CO3/Et3PO4 ---> LSD.
Since LSD inverts in the presence of base, it would produce a racemic mixture of LSD and iso-LSD, the latter of which is inactive -- but it's better than no LSD at all, I say. Further, the LSA present in most plants is already racemic, so inversion is not really a concern.

I don't know how well this would work, because amide conjugate bases are essentially unknown in the literature. There's almost nothing out there about them -- are they unstable for some reason I don't know?

Does this sort of route have any potential at all?
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Re: LSA deprotonation by alkoxides? (and subsequent alkylation)
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 08:36:06 AM »
You need a gentle reagent for this transformation. As a synthetic transformation, your alkylation strategy will work for secondary amides and probably primary amides as well.

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Re: LSA deprotonation by alkoxides? (and subsequent alkylation)
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 09:56:26 AM »
How about ethyl pyruvate? It should be more reactive than a typical ester, similar to ethyl oxalate, but the production of ethyl pyruvate doesn't involve worrying about the mono-alkylated side product as you would with ethyl oxalate.

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Re: LSA deprotonation by alkoxides? (and subsequent alkylation)
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 10:22:42 AM »
if it's kept very very dry it might work i can see no reasons it would'nt other than water.
ergolines stand up to pretty strong bases.

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Re: LSA deprotonation by alkoxides? (and subsequent alkylation)
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2012, 09:57:03 PM »
We need more discussion on this. Please discuss.

Ok, so are you suggesting that there is a method from LSA amides (including all the ones that could or would be active/iso) to LSD?
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