Shit I hate being Bipolar... I look back at some of my older post and its as though a totally different person with more common sense wrote them. Then I have times where I feel like the vilage idiot..... I gotta get a labotamy or something to level me out since this is almost like split personality shit. Atleast I aint started naming the other me's yet.
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tell me about it sometimes you come off as brilliant and others well (you being admin here) i'll admit a bit touchy on certain matters.
but it's okay there are remedies that are'nt listed in the u.s.p. that hopefully one day you'll discover.
i'm no saint i take crazy pills tegretol levels me, you should out look into it inositol is a good example fish oil can heal your brain too because the brain is made basically fat and fish oil is basically a fatty acid iirc.
less side effects.
but the psychiatric profession ran it up my ass so, i'm leary of men wearing white coats taking notes that also tend to smile too much to hide thier sinister intentions.
there are ways of beating bipolar illness with being aware of what triggers it's onset and avoiding those triggers and researching things that help the brain along.
but it's okay there are remedies that are'nt listed in the u.s.p. that hopefully one day you'll discover.
i'm no saint i take crazy pills tegretol levels me, you should out look into it inositol is a good example fish oil can heal your brain too because the brain is made basically fat and fish oil is basically a fatty acid iirc.
less side effects.
but the psychiatric profession ran it up my ass so, i'm leary of men wearing white coats taking notes that also tend to smile too much to hide thier sinister intentions.
there are ways of beating bipolar illness with being aware of what triggers it's onset and avoiding those triggers and researching things that help the brain along.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Family_Systems_Model
I believe this theory of psychology is pretty close to the truth. We are not in fact any of us "single" personalities. We all have many different personality parts, some of us more prounounced than others, especially if we have been through a lot of trauma.
It makes a whole lot more sense than the standard view. It also explains all the people who go crazy and do weird things that no one would ever believe.
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I believe this theory of psychology is pretty close to the truth. We are not in fact any of us "single" personalities. We all have many different personality parts, some of us more prounounced than others, especially if we have been through a lot of trauma.
It makes a whole lot more sense than the standard view. It also explains all the people who go crazy and do weird things that no one would ever believe.
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stress is a big factor in mental illness not to go off topic but studies have shown the childeren of parents who endured severe stress over a long period of time (world war II for example) have bipolar disorder/clinical depression because stress can impact genetics in a big way.
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I doubt its genetics and I doubt there is an easy cure.....
Example:
If you smoke cigarettes you develop more receptors to receive the nicotine, without it you go threw withdrawal not so much because you dont have the drug but because you have an excess of receptors wanting it. If someone was in a post tramatic stress situation then they may very well develop more receptors to deal with the influx of neurotransmiters being released. If you are no longer stressed you will feel, "Strange" because you have excess of unstimulated receptors avalible,
In extreme cases I feel this can leads to self destructive behavior such as cutting ones self or serious drug abuse since this will force the body into filling the pain/excess receptors and alleviating ones ailments.
This hypothesis is written out in my beta carboline thread because that is,I feel, the master key to controlling all of this. Remember there is no real cure until you have truely found the cause. Everything else is in its essence a placebo.
Example:
If you smoke cigarettes you develop more receptors to receive the nicotine, without it you go threw withdrawal not so much because you dont have the drug but because you have an excess of receptors wanting it. If someone was in a post tramatic stress situation then they may very well develop more receptors to deal with the influx of neurotransmiters being released. If you are no longer stressed you will feel, "Strange" because you have excess of unstimulated receptors avalible,
In extreme cases I feel this can leads to self destructive behavior such as cutting ones self or serious drug abuse since this will force the body into filling the pain/excess receptors and alleviating ones ailments.
This hypothesis is written out in my beta carboline thread because that is,I feel, the master key to controlling all of this. Remember there is no real cure until you have truely found the cause. Everything else is in its essence a placebo.
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there is prooven scientific evidence that prolonged stress erodes the telomers of dna strands and one year of prolonged stress can be tantamount to aging 6 years.
you ever notice a young vibrant president for example goes into office and 1 or 2 years later you see his hair graying and signs of aging?
well this gets passed on to offspring.
just look at the Russians their life is very brutal and they are also mostly crazy people with nuclear weapons.
you ever notice a young vibrant president for example goes into office and 1 or 2 years later you see his hair graying and signs of aging?
well this gets passed on to offspring.
just look at the Russians their life is very brutal and they are also mostly crazy people with nuclear weapons.
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you ever notice a young vibrant president for example goes into office and 1 or 2 years later you see his hair graying and signs of aging?
Most modern president's don't have that much power to change things and reason to go "decay" since they are just marionettes on strings with big salaries.
Dictators and people on positions with great responsibility have more pronounced effect of "decaying".
Stalin is prime example of man decying so much that he died from his fear to be killed.
Hitler is even better example.
Look at him in beginning,you can hate or love it,but he was man with iron will that did back in in 33.'-38.' many great things for peopl that elected him and social reforms that are now golden standard to every modern society(paid vacation,social car...) and after stress ran him over he became old impuslive enbittered irrational man what we know him to be today,unintentionally destroying everything he made,making himself icon of evil in eyes of many.
I totally agree with jon that stress and life conditions that don't alove you to solve it are responsible for many,
if not all mental illnesses.
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chemical pollution can also cause mental illness so can infectious diseases it can be very perplexing to find the root cause of mental illness and there is no $$ in a cure so the drug companies only give drugs to treat symptoms so they can have lifelong customers.
if the drugs cause problems then it is very easy for the psychiatric profession to say see the illness is worsening and more/different drugs are needed to treat this.
this lie can easily go unpunished because of societie's dim view of the mentally ill they have no say.
this is how hitler marginalized the undesireables so they could be singled out for "special treatment" and the Bush dynasty could get richer as ibm was centered in new york and the punch card machines had to be serviced every month on site by ibm.
so they knew and approved of this special treatment of the invalids and the mentally incompetent among the other undesirables such as juden, the intellectuals, the homosexuals, the gypsies, the commies, et. al.
ever wonder why german prisoners of war were treated so nicely?
and many good german minds were imported into u.s. after the war?
ECT is a good example of psychiatric oppresion ect turns someone into a zombie unable to function generating another lifelong customer of the psychiatric industry.
before that it was icepick lobotomies or open lobotomies where holes are drilled in the frontal lobe and alcohol squirted in to kill the brain.
but this became bad public relations so frequently now antipsychotics aka chemical restraints are used to lobotomize people unwittingly.
it is now very difficult to have ect done because three psychiatrists have to sign off on it, some people are so depressed they beg for ect and are turned away.
this is because of it's stigma.
now if a euphamism such as "electo restorative therapy" were used it might be useful, as ect generated billions in revenues. just from a few dollars worth of electricity.
if the drugs cause problems then it is very easy for the psychiatric profession to say see the illness is worsening and more/different drugs are needed to treat this.
this lie can easily go unpunished because of societie's dim view of the mentally ill they have no say.
this is how hitler marginalized the undesireables so they could be singled out for "special treatment" and the Bush dynasty could get richer as ibm was centered in new york and the punch card machines had to be serviced every month on site by ibm.
so they knew and approved of this special treatment of the invalids and the mentally incompetent among the other undesirables such as juden, the intellectuals, the homosexuals, the gypsies, the commies, et. al.
ever wonder why german prisoners of war were treated so nicely?
and many good german minds were imported into u.s. after the war?
ECT is a good example of psychiatric oppresion ect turns someone into a zombie unable to function generating another lifelong customer of the psychiatric industry.
before that it was icepick lobotomies or open lobotomies where holes are drilled in the frontal lobe and alcohol squirted in to kill the brain.
but this became bad public relations so frequently now antipsychotics aka chemical restraints are used to lobotomize people unwittingly.
it is now very difficult to have ect done because three psychiatrists have to sign off on it, some people are so depressed they beg for ect and are turned away.
this is because of it's stigma.
now if a euphamism such as "electo restorative therapy" were used it might be useful, as ect generated billions in revenues. just from a few dollars worth of electricity.
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LMAO yeh it was getting abit off topic, thanks for giving my own psychosis thread whoever split it, I feel special in the olympic sort of way. 

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ever wonder why german prisoners of war were treated so nicely?
Actually only scientist and people who were usefull against commies were treated nicely.
Americans treated german POW's much worse than vice versa.
But German camps for British,American,French ad other POW's were luxury hotels compared to those
inended for Russians and undesirables.
Not mentioning concetration camps for naturalized Japanese and in some extent German Americans.
German's tried to do everything to avoid war with U.S.,there were even German Nazi summer "camps
of friendship" before the war on U.S. soil.but Roosevelt needed to dance as his puppetmasters
ordered him...
Back on subject...of course pharma has no intention in fixing mental illnes,but making someone an addict!
Otherwise MDMA and similar drugswould be lagal for decades now!
Root of every mental illnes in every person is different but stress is main catalyst.
For example many people who are delusious and detached from real world are simply diagnosed "shizophrenic",
while ther are no two same cases of shizophrenia.
This kind of generalization is almost same with cancer,there is no scush thing as universal cancer,
but many similar diseases that look alike.
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I asked my psychologist about schitzophrenia since he doesn't believe in the DSM. He said in other cultures they are called shamen.
I would guess that some of the drugs like ssri's tend to make people's situations worse because they cause the downregulation of receptors making it much harder to get off of. Only 5 HTP and a lot of time off work got me off effexor. I ramped down over 9 months - finally having to take a few grains to stave off the flu like symptoms. Changed my viewpoint on drugs both legal and illegal.
I went crazy from stress and wound up in the psych ward clinic. Some lady spends 5 minutes with me, asks me if I ever stayed up all night and diagnosed me with bipolar. Then she prescribed some stuff that could have fried my liver without taking any tests first if I had been dumb enough to take it. Cookie cutter psych's are the worst.
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I would guess that some of the drugs like ssri's tend to make people's situations worse because they cause the downregulation of receptors making it much harder to get off of. Only 5 HTP and a lot of time off work got me off effexor. I ramped down over 9 months - finally having to take a few grains to stave off the flu like symptoms. Changed my viewpoint on drugs both legal and illegal.
I went crazy from stress and wound up in the psych ward clinic. Some lady spends 5 minutes with me, asks me if I ever stayed up all night and diagnosed me with bipolar. Then she prescribed some stuff that could have fried my liver without taking any tests first if I had been dumb enough to take it. Cookie cutter psych's are the worst.
Salat
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You are right,mental patient that can be easily cured are screwed up by bad doctors.
Everyone doctor who treats "crazy" people like garbage shuld be given some nasty dose of LSD or
Datura extract to remind them what are those people going trough.
I felt into most extreme state of depression I ever felt in last few days.
Even doing things that make me happy was painfull.
Only fate in God,MDMA,5-HTP and benzos keept me alive...
Everyone doctor who treats "crazy" people like garbage shuld be given some nasty dose of LSD or
Datura extract to remind them what are those people going trough.
I felt into most extreme state of depression I ever felt in last few days.
Even doing things that make me happy was painfull.
Only fate in God,MDMA,5-HTP and benzos keept me alive...
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hi all, i am also a psycho. depression should be a common state nowadays but most of people prefer not to discuss this issue, or they are having another equivalent of neurosis. i had a sort of OCD/DP/depression kind of this state, today it became much easier to control the symthoms but when it began i really considered putting myself into ambulance for mental patients. Psychiatry here is not as popular as in the US, people seldom take medications as it is considered hazardous or simply weird. When it started, parents did not allow to take them(thankful to them, despite first i blamed them for their ignorance and not taking my problems seriuos, now i am at least _physically_ healthy, and practically got rid of this shit). I dont know how is it to be bipolar, but as far as i remember from a plenty of psychiatry websites that i read when i was sick
, these people are really struggling, so i wish you Sedit to successfully cope with your BPD, and never believe those nagative thoughts coming in your mind in bad periods (if this is the case). Simply consider them as thoughts, that are trying to make yourself act and feel accordingly, and neglect them for that reason. Remember, that they will sooner or later change to different ones, as it happens every time, that is another indication of their deviancy.
, these people are really struggling, so i wish you Sedit to successfully cope with your BPD, and never believe those nagative thoughts coming in your mind in bad periods (if this is the case). Simply consider them as thoughts, that are trying to make yourself act and feel accordingly, and neglect them for that reason. Remember, that they will sooner or later change to different ones, as it happens every time, that is another indication of their deviancy. Oerlikon
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Depression has prety nasty characteristic that it makes you turly beliveve there is no alternative.
BPD is just depression + periods of mania.
I would rather "choose" DPB than depression alone.
BPD is just depression + periods of mania.
I would rather "choose" DPB than depression alone.
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I just dont get it why I fail to do anything these days.
Am I so afraid of failure that wont even start? THen why do I fail collage cources I could have easily passed du to my inability to DO write some papers?
Papers that I have writen in the past succesfully.
I'm not sure what it is but I'm not seeing a single shrink or doctor.
Thanks to a new law I have to fucking tip toe around doctors if I ever want to own a firearm, which I do.
Any sign or clue that there even just might be something wrong with me and the there it fucking goes.
Oh well. I'll have to procure some ritalin/adderal to see if it will allow me to regain my former output.
My collage edducation depends on it.
Am I so afraid of failure that wont even start? THen why do I fail collage cources I could have easily passed du to my inability to DO write some papers?
Papers that I have writen in the past succesfully.
I'm not sure what it is but I'm not seeing a single shrink or doctor.
Thanks to a new law I have to fucking tip toe around doctors if I ever want to own a firearm, which I do.
Any sign or clue that there even just might be something wrong with me and the there it fucking goes.
Oh well. I'll have to procure some ritalin/adderal to see if it will allow me to regain my former output.
My collage edducation depends on it.
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why not use unconventional stimulants they all work the same way
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"I just dont get it why I fail to do anything these days.
Am I so afraid of failure that wont even start?"
A VERY good call,, many people do this.........
IMHO I think most 'mental illness" is a "direct result of...."
a) Living in a materialistically based culture that WILL tell whatever LIES it can "get away with" in order to maintain the Selfish lifestyles,,supported by " Consumers BELIEVING the bullshit Hollywood Hype..etc"
b) People continuing to EAT the Shit purported to be "food"...and "forgetting" that "We ARE WHAT WE EAT"......Imbalances in Neurotransmitters are caused bt many things...However.........
We can ONLY rectify these "imbalances" by providing our 'Bio reactors' with the appropriate "precursors" to these neurotransmitters etc
This can be accomplished ONLY IF we give our bodies "food" that contains ENOUGH of these compounds (mainly amino acids..some vitamins and some minerals,, which ARE ESSENTIAL to "mental functions" in EVERY WAY
For many years I truly thought I had some type of undiagnosed mental illness'
When I was "diagnosed by a Professional" it was fairly clear to me.. 'we',,they and I ,,were NOT on the same page......the 'problems that concerned me' were not the one's they thought were significant.....
If you are prepared to DO/try tackling this "problem" from another angle/point of view,,,ask and I shall expand my "experiences and understandings" gladly
I REALLY HATE mindfuck....and medicine is an 'art' that 'uses science' ..as salat said "cookie cutter" mentalities IMHO,, ARE fuckin dangerous
Am I so afraid of failure that wont even start?"
A VERY good call,, many people do this.........
IMHO I think most 'mental illness" is a "direct result of...."
a) Living in a materialistically based culture that WILL tell whatever LIES it can "get away with" in order to maintain the Selfish lifestyles,,supported by " Consumers BELIEVING the bullshit Hollywood Hype..etc"
b) People continuing to EAT the Shit purported to be "food"...and "forgetting" that "We ARE WHAT WE EAT"......Imbalances in Neurotransmitters are caused bt many things...However.........
We can ONLY rectify these "imbalances" by providing our 'Bio reactors' with the appropriate "precursors" to these neurotransmitters etc
This can be accomplished ONLY IF we give our bodies "food" that contains ENOUGH of these compounds (mainly amino acids..some vitamins and some minerals,, which ARE ESSENTIAL to "mental functions" in EVERY WAY
For many years I truly thought I had some type of undiagnosed mental illness'
When I was "diagnosed by a Professional" it was fairly clear to me.. 'we',,they and I ,,were NOT on the same page......the 'problems that concerned me' were not the one's they thought were significant.....
If you are prepared to DO/try tackling this "problem" from another angle/point of view,,,ask and I shall expand my "experiences and understandings" gladly
I REALLY HATE mindfuck....and medicine is an 'art' that 'uses science' ..as salat said "cookie cutter" mentalities IMHO,, ARE fuckin dangerous
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I agree food causes a lot of both physical and mental problems as does the culture we live in. I have a book called "Chemistry of Joy" that talks in simplistic terms about foods and their influence on each neurotransmitter system, it helped me 5 years ago when I needed to get off effexor and get rid of type II diabetes.
If you look at news media, entertainment, games it is all designed to create anxiety that can only be solved by buying and using their product. Fox news in particular is good at creating unfounded anxieties which in turn wind up getting turned into laws.
The games and movies ramp up our adrenal systems and they in turn do a lot of damage to our brains and bodies. It may well be that video games and violent movies that kids are hooked on from a young age are causing the symptoms of ADHD - not because they promote short attention span, but because of the affects of elevated glucocorticoids. Stress of the fake kind is indistinguishable from the real thing for the most part, so our entertainment is activating HPA. Elevated glucocorticoids is also tied to type II diabetes and can actually cause you to gain weight - no matter what you eat.
And I suspect that the intelligent and aware ones go crazy because you can't be paying attention to what's going on and not go crazy.
Salat
If you look at news media, entertainment, games it is all designed to create anxiety that can only be solved by buying and using their product. Fox news in particular is good at creating unfounded anxieties which in turn wind up getting turned into laws.
The games and movies ramp up our adrenal systems and they in turn do a lot of damage to our brains and bodies. It may well be that video games and violent movies that kids are hooked on from a young age are causing the symptoms of ADHD - not because they promote short attention span, but because of the affects of elevated glucocorticoids. Stress of the fake kind is indistinguishable from the real thing for the most part, so our entertainment is activating HPA. Elevated glucocorticoids is also tied to type II diabetes and can actually cause you to gain weight - no matter what you eat.
And I suspect that the intelligent and aware ones go crazy because you can't be paying attention to what's going on and not go crazy.
Salat
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I don't like this "violent videogame theory" in the first place!
It is boogie man created by mass media to blame things on which they can't/won't find real cause.
No offense,but this is pretty egocentric American point of view where no war happened on your
doorstep for more than 100 years!
People are designed for violence since dawn of civilization!
Our parents and grandparents experienced thing we can only see in brutal videogames
many times worse in real life w/o any desire to do so nor ability to respawn! I mean look at these videogames,
they are mostly from WW2 onwards.
Materialistic world and hopelessness to change or do anything important while we are convinced
otherwise in this "beautiful democracy" is also fairly responsible!
Why do you think so many people fanatically believed in totalitarian regimes,fighting to the death for them!?
Because it gave them hope,meaning of life,sense of duty and ability to change things they hated!
Food on other hand might be fairly responsible,
but even people who eat super healthy food,like in my region still go "koo-koo" all the time!
Probably most important thing why there are so many "crazy" people in USA is because of your
health care system.Unlike in Europe and other parts of the world where psychiatrist are on the constant state
payrole,you doctors get more money if they treat more patients and big bonuses from drug companies
to prescribe they newest poisons.
It is boogie man created by mass media to blame things on which they can't/won't find real cause.
No offense,but this is pretty egocentric American point of view where no war happened on your
doorstep for more than 100 years!
People are designed for violence since dawn of civilization!
Our parents and grandparents experienced thing we can only see in brutal videogames
many times worse in real life w/o any desire to do so nor ability to respawn! I mean look at these videogames,
they are mostly from WW2 onwards.
Materialistic world and hopelessness to change or do anything important while we are convinced
otherwise in this "beautiful democracy" is also fairly responsible!
Why do you think so many people fanatically believed in totalitarian regimes,fighting to the death for them!?
Because it gave them hope,meaning of life,sense of duty and ability to change things they hated!
Food on other hand might be fairly responsible,
but even people who eat super healthy food,like in my region still go "koo-koo" all the time!
Probably most important thing why there are so many "crazy" people in USA is because of your
health care system.Unlike in Europe and other parts of the world where psychiatrist are on the constant state
payrole,you doctors get more money if they treat more patients and big bonuses from drug companies
to prescribe they newest poisons.
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People didn't hear about every tom dick and harry that got tortured etc, they didn't have access to instant information. I wasn't using it as a defense of anything it's just a theory of mine gleaned from research and experience. There were studies which showed that chemically our bodies respond to imagined threats as well as real ones. So kids playing violent video games are getting their flight or fight response going. It doesn't even matter if the game is violent or not, it can still get the HPA going. Movies can too.
I believe that when bad things happened to people pre modern society they had lots of physical labor to work off the chemicals circulating after that near brush with a rattle snake or whatever. Now the kids just sit all the time and the chemicals which have ramped up to do battle have no where to go and don't get metabolized the way it was designed to. So yeah we've been designed to live in a dangerous world, but we're fucking with things because we don't use our bodies the way they were designed.
And yeah food only helps so far. Part of the problem of feeling hopeless is the sheer volume of problems we are presented with in a typical day of reading newspaper & tv etc (I don't do either). We feel overwhelmed because they are so large in scope and even the small local ones can't be fixed or helped because of lawyers and their BS.
I found out our psych gets something like 86K a year in speakers fees from the drug companies. I don't let them prescribe me anything unless I'm sure I want to take it and have checked it out carefully. Don't trust any of them.
Salat
I believe that when bad things happened to people pre modern society they had lots of physical labor to work off the chemicals circulating after that near brush with a rattle snake or whatever. Now the kids just sit all the time and the chemicals which have ramped up to do battle have no where to go and don't get metabolized the way it was designed to. So yeah we've been designed to live in a dangerous world, but we're fucking with things because we don't use our bodies the way they were designed.
And yeah food only helps so far. Part of the problem of feeling hopeless is the sheer volume of problems we are presented with in a typical day of reading newspaper & tv etc (I don't do either). We feel overwhelmed because they are so large in scope and even the small local ones can't be fixed or helped because of lawyers and their BS.
I found out our psych gets something like 86K a year in speakers fees from the drug companies. I don't let them prescribe me anything unless I'm sure I want to take it and have checked it out carefully. Don't trust any of them.
Salat
