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(2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« on: January 20, 2011, 01:11:23 AM »
Some rudimentary experiments were performed on commercial Naproxen in an attempt to prepare a novel psychoactive material. A new method for borane reduction may have been devised.

Pihkal describes the Ganesha and 2C-G series, which have bulky carbon structures on the benzene ring. 2C-G-N is listed with a dosage of 20-40 mg and G-N seems not to have been tested. These and related materials are said to have quite long durations, and their activities are interesting but not phenomenomenal. Wikipedia claims that a beta-methyl group slows metabolism, and that b-methyl-PEA is a stimulant (although it doesn't seem too common).

About 1 gram of naproxen was extracted with ethanol, which works very well for that purpose, and partially dried to a fine chalky white paste. To this was added roughly 2/3 the volume of ammonium chloride and perhaps half that amount of sodium bicarbonate. The mixture was melted over an open flame in a crucible with stirring. Foaming developed immediately, though at no point was the scent of ammonia discernible. A white vapour soon formed, presumably ammonium chloride, accompanied the colour change to a light amber, at which point the dehydration was judged sufficient. The mass had taken on a peculiar heavy aroma, which was first described as "dank honey", but with an orientally floral quality to it.

Approximately a 6x6 square of aluminium foil was lightly dusted with boric acid and some magnesium turnings included, which was then rolled up and further compressed to about a cubic centimeter. The amount of H3BO3 was intended to leave an excess of metal from both the oxide and boride (to increase the likelihood of lower borides, higher borides being less prone to hydrolysis). This cube was then roasted to a viscous liquid blob, cooled and broken in half. Dark inclusions were likely magnesium boride.

About a third of the amide melt was dissolved in 91% Isopropanol, to which was added the two chunks of the boridiferous material and some granular 83% sodium bisulfate. A couple bubbles were immediately apparent, heating dramatically sped up the rate of gas evolution, likely a mixture of hydrogen and borane. The characteristic borane odour was noticed, somewhat like a bad fart, but was more profound after the water seemed to have been consumed, at which point some white fumes were observed to form on contact with the air (ossibly from isopropanol vapour), sometimes descending back into the test tube before dissipating. Gradually the amber solution turned to light yellow, and the tube submerged in cool water.

Later, the reaction was attempted again, but without inclusion of magnesium in the boride roll. The amide was re roasted to a somewhat darker colour, and the presumably amide scent was heavier. The gas evolution was far less extreme even with heating, and the odour was less obnoxiously fart like and more ham like. A water bath was used this time, although the experimenter walked away a trifle too long to find a dried tube. Although the solution did not become much lighter when the reaction was first observed, an attempt at re-extraction had a nihilistically weak colour.

The first solution continued to reek despite being partially boiled off. Finally its vapour was ignited, the greenish flame quickly became orange, and the stink was largely gone. On cooling in a freezer the concentrated solution produced some crystals of naproxen. The rest of the liquor however was diluted with water, the isopropanol boiled off, and made basic with bicarbonate of soda. This was imbibed and there was an amine taste (not ammonia) along with a lingering sweetness in the throat (probably naproxen).

We apologise for the poor quality of the notes! If the experimenter had thought this had a chance of actually working, I'm assured they would have been better.

The experimenter writes:

"Stimulation was noticed within the half hour and lasted perhaps two more, some visual fuzzy turbulence was experienced but mild. Heart beat doubled up once in a while. Could have been psychosomatic... My thinking seems to be louder if that makes sense."

The second attempt, imbibed several hours after the first, produced "no stimulation like the other sample seemed to, nor did it taste amine-ly. Some hours later (2? 3?) something seemed to happen, looking around in the dark gave me a paradoxical strobe-ing effect and objects flowed a tiny bit, but that was likely me just being tired [1:00 in the morning]. I don't feel quite the same to this day, [the next day] a little better actually, but if that really was an effect that's an outrageous latency.

"At higher levels the stuff might be quite pleasant even interesting if either of the two experiences were representative... Perhaps they both were and the first one inured me to it's stimulating action, or the dehydration did something funky to the structure? Who knows. "

[I'm told the second solution didn't have an amine taste, but wasn't fully neutralised either.]

This effect is allegedly comparable to a low dose of MDMA, which neither I nor the experimenter have tried.

As to the mechanism of the borane reduction, it seems that while diborane is desirable, itself produced from hydrolysis of the aluminium boride in low yield, tetraborane seems to have been effective as well, which is apparently the major product of the hydrolysis of magnesium boride (1% in HCl up to 11% in phosphoric acid). If I remember corectly, sodium bisulfate, on dissolution in alcohol gives Na2SO4 and the monoalkyl sulfate (in this case monoisopropyl sulfate).

According to a paper in references, tetraborane reacts with ethanol at -78 deg C to give di and triethoxy borane. The isopropoxy derivatives may form analogously, and the di and mono-isopropoxy borane, a likely intermediate, may be responsible for the reduction of the amide in solution. Tetraborane may even have been involved directly (enough escaped to be detected and give the experimenter a headache), although I have yet to see any reference to such tetraborane reductions.

Several improvements suggest themselves. Firstly, the use of anhydrous isopropanol, for obvious reasons. Secondly, perhaps the dynamics could be tweaked towards higher yield by using a different alcohol, butanol perhaps, allowing more of the mono and di-alkoxyboranes to form selectively, and stay in solution longer before evaporating. Thirdly, though the experimenter is under the impression that a combination of Mg and Al boride is optimal, a better quality and adjusted ratios might be best. The crude method above was obviously chosen for the sake of convenience. Fourthly, microwave heating would no doubt improve the dehydration to amide as has been pointed out in various places.

If this wasn't all delusion, illusion, or outright hallucination on the experimenter's part, we hope that this becomes a workable and convenient reduction for home chemists everywhere.  ;)
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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2011, 03:58:04 AM »
Interesting,
 I would love to see where this takes you. If possible perhaps it be best to characterize the product by successful purification. I have a hunch that not much activity will be seen however notice other simular psychoactive materials require two hydrogen doners in the form of Methoxys on the 2,5 or 3,5 carbons of the benzene ring such as 2C-X compounds and Mescaline. Alot may be gained here by attempting just such a thing since it could strengthen binding to the Seretonin receptors as well as help inhibit metabolism by the mono amine oxidase enzyme.

There also seems to be potential in the way of forming a PAL-287 analog by dry distillation of the Naproxen with Lead acetate followed with amination. I would strongly advise caution however since it would in a small sort of way be a PMA analog as well.
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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2011, 05:07:23 AM »
i'd like to see those references on that boride reduction

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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2011, 07:19:49 AM »
Does the experimenter have an estimated dosage on the experiences (the part after the procedure)?

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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 11:15:04 PM »
Why not try the destructive distill of naproxen w/calcium acetate to the P2P-analog?

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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2011, 11:37:31 PM »
Methoxy-naphthyl groups are interesting in binding to dopamine receptors.

The WF-33 Cocaine analogue do have this 6-methoxy-Naphthyl and that's the most potent of the PhenylTropanes (Several hundred times more potent than cocaine, lasting two-three days ....)




The powerful (but quite trashy) Naphyrone is an example of those compounds who bind so much to the D. receptors. Lasting for very long, very potent.




Unfortunately, most substance which have the Naphtalene group are not adapted to a human consumption. WF-23/33 arn't drugs of choice : they're weapons or something like that !
I tried Naphyrone and that's very potent, but not confortable... Too much, too much binding.



Edit : example given by my chem. Professor


4-Methyl-5-(6-methoxy)Naphthyl-2-amino-oxazoline


That compound is dangerous : Several thousands times more potent than regular Methamphetamine, lasting several days with horrible headaches & neurological issues.
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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2011, 12:21:18 AM »
That last one is obviously a 4-MAR analog. Do you have any refs for it?

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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2011, 12:59:27 AM »
yeap The Amino-oxazoline cycle came from Aminorex series.
I'll ask about it. I presume that Naphthyl group bind to Dopamine receptors and 2,5methoxy + eventually Bromo/iodo/methyl group bind to serotonine receptor.

I can't remember where but I've read a paper about the impossibilty of 5-ht substituting Aminorex series. (like 2C-B Aminorex analog seems to be inactive)
But increasing the D1,D2 bind (such like Naphthyl or Methoxy-naphthyl) IS possible for Aminorex series.

That's why I thought about clorinate octopamine and then methylate the Alpha-Chloroctopamine to give 4-methyl-octopamine and then build the oxazoline ring with sodium cyanate to form the 4-methyl-Aminorex analog.

Or just using Octopamine + Sod.Cyanate to give 4-hydroxy-Aminorex which is closer to Dopamine skeleton.
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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2011, 02:43:38 AM »
interesting but why would you want to make something so nasty?
personally 4-mar is great until you do a little too much then shit gets serious fast i remember feeling like my head was going to explode, turning pale, eyes rolling back
not a very nice time sure the first 20 hours or so were awesome but more and more (a common thing with stimulants) and it's shit to pay.

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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2011, 02:46:28 AM »
I quoted That nasty stuff to explain how the Naphthyl / Methoxy-naphthyl group could be dangerous and pretty difficult to control ;)

I would never have WF-33 or that sort of stim, oh God no, Naphyrone/MDPV already done ....  :D
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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2011, 03:03:01 AM »
stimulants have some horrible side effects cocaine it feels great for 5 minutes and the rest of the night paranoid, feindish, and aggressive i don't understand the appeal other than the addiction trap.

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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2011, 03:18:57 AM »
The best purification for something like this being chromatography, but seeing the colorless zones would be difficult. And anyway, neither of us is equipped for further experimentation at this moment.

Are there any known analogues with beta and alpha methyls? I couldn't find it if there are. Oxidising it to the quinone and so on might be interesting but the related materials in Pihkal didn't look to rewarding. Hell, if the thing got oxidised to the 6-methoxy-naphthodiquinone and was reduced/methylated that might be interesting? But that's entirely unfounded speculation.

The dosages could not have been large. Hmm, divide 300mg by what must have been a low yield from the general crudity of method etc. plus mechanical loss and degradation... Probably no more than 30 mg and less for the second. The flavour, I'm told, was quite mild.

Borane reductions aren't new, but as far as I know, using a boride in situ to make the borane is unheard of. Probably because it's less efficient, and there was no need for it. But in these dark times it might be a useful trick. (Also, we had never heard of that nifty acetate destructive distillation. Neat though.)

Fascinating stuff those methoxynaphthyl things. Dopamine agonism would make sense; the experimenter's mood seemed elevated for the following couple days, slowly tapering off. [Quite unlike the "fiendish" ness described as I was writing this]

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http://www.alsnotebook.com/amidebh3.html

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Borane is a mild reagent for the conversion of amides to the corresponding amines.  The rate of reduction of amides by borane is dependent on several factors.  In general, tertiary amides are more easily reduced than secondary amides, which are more easily reduced than primary amides (see: Brown, H.C.; Heim, P.  J. Am. Chem. Soc.  1964, 86, 3566.  and Brown, H.C.; Heim, P.  J. Org. Chem.  1973, 38, 912).  It has also been shown that alpha-substituted amides tend to be more rapidly reduced than their unbranched counterparts.  Both the electronic and steric nature of the substituent(s) on nitrogen also influence the rate of reduction.  Brown and Heim report that for optimum reduction, 1.7 mmol of borane should be used per mol of tertiary amide, 2.0 mol per mol of secondary amide and 2.3 mol per mol of primary amide.

Also a fun little article from back in the day. As I recall however, the modern understanding of the mechanism has two borons attacking the oxygen, I think. I'll try to find that later.


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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2011, 03:21:42 AM »
borane can also be made in situ in thf with sodium borohydride and iodine but i like the novelty it's pretty cool shit.

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Re: (2S)-(6-methoxynaphthalen-2-yl)propan-1-amine
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2011, 05:56:59 PM »
Thanks

Interesting that trimethyl borate catalyses borane (and other) reductions. They don't know why (or didn't, maybe they do now).
newjournal.kcsnet.or.kr/main/j_search/j_download.htm?code=B890104

And I remembered wrong, the double boron attack was only these folks' hypothesis.
http://tuengr.com/V02/073-082.pdf
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