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Price of KI going up
« on: March 17, 2011, 03:19:58 AM »
On CNN, It's almost as much as NaI now on that auction site and there is only one person left with it in stock. Here's a link.

hxxp://www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/16/japan.west.coast.fears/

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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 04:07:59 AM »
Yeah but that doesn't mean anything for reagent grade in the 500 grams or so...
Just the pharmacutically pure stuff which is in small amounts.
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2011, 04:46:40 AM »
I noticed a supplier of mine upped their price on reagent KI. Also what the hell is up with the 500$ bids on *bay for 14 pills! Crazy!
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 11:23:23 AM »
14 pills of 'what?'
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2011, 03:24:51 PM »
Potassium iodide.

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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2011, 04:20:59 AM »
how much does a 'pill' weigh, in grams?
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2011, 03:31:20 PM »
They only contain 17.5mg-750mg per pill, depending on the brand.

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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2011, 02:43:03 AM »
WOW!!!!!! "Crazy" is an understatement!!!  How could 5-10 grams of KI be "worth" $500?

  WTF are they making?  (or trying to? )
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2011, 04:45:38 PM »
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WTF are they making?  (or trying to? )

KI is what you take to prevent damage from radiation.

The was a guy on auction was selling it for $75 for 2 Teaspoons, but it looks like his listings got pulled.  There are still some selling for about what I paid not too long ago.

I'd bet folks in Ca are freakin'

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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2011, 09:02:46 PM »
ridiculous shows you how stupid people are.
i'd like to get in on this what does the bottling look like?
could easily print out the labeling on some shrink plastic to make the bottling and sell sugar pills.
oh wait i got it!
radiation suits!!!
yeah!
no seriously california recieved 1 millionth of the radiation in the form of xenon 131

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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 07:20:00 PM »
The pills, as stated, are for protection after radiation exposure, specifically to protect the thyroid gland, the main utilizer of iodine within the body (to produce the hormone thyroxine), radioactive iodine thus gets concentrated there and starts fucking up the thyroid, taking non-radioactive iodine in a large quantity (we normally need very small quantities for normal thyroid function) out-competes with radioisotopes of iodine preventing it accumulating in the thyroid and causing damage.

Similar, in a way, to how they treat MeOH poisoning, as it is the toxic metabolites (formaldehyde and formic acid) that damage the optic nerve and cause blindness, said metabolites are formed by alcohol dehydrogenase, the same enzyme that the liver uses to metabolise EtOH to acetaldehyde, then aldehyde dehydrogenase metabolises it further to acetic acid. Treatment is to have the patient drink a fuckload of ethanol, get them pissed out of their skull, and probably give them a rotten bastard of a hangover in the process.

The EtOH, given in such large amounts, competes for aldehyde and alcohol dehydrogenases with CH3OH, and prevents it being metabolized and thus exerting toxicity, allowing it to be pissed away harmlessly. I believe they may do so again with ethylene glycol poisoning, as its the oxalate metabolite that damages the kidneys.

They do, nowadays have a specific antidote other than a mass quantity of booze for treating MeOH poisoning though.
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 11:15:16 PM »
Good explanation.
Just one mistake...KI and NaI are used and effective only BEFROE exposure to the fallout,not after.

Drinking until passing out sounds like good medicine!
Why anyone bothered inventing anything else?

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Drink until you pass out and I can guarantee you 100% that infection will go away!
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2011, 02:14:38 AM »
I was more thinking of the sort of circumstances that would be summed up well by the phrase 'oh fuck, my reactor just went critical and relocated my back garden shed from england to china, australia, and in a seedy russian back-street bar, all at the same prescise moment', not for days or weeks afterwards, I.E neck the KI pills quick, shortly after pulling whats left of one's greenhouse out of one's torso, bit by bit.

Although TY for the correction Oerlikon.
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2011, 03:41:40 AM »
This salt, if taken either before or very soon after a radioiodine intake and if taken in the proper dose, will block the uptake of radioiodine by the thyroid.

http://hps.org/publicinformation/ate/faqs/ki.html

It has a radioactive decay half life of about 8 days. Its uses are mostly medical and pharmaceutical. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2011, 04:18:10 AM »
Quote from: Oerlikon on March 20, 2011, 11:15:16 PM
Good explanation.
Just one mistake...KI and NaI are used and effective only BEFROE exposure to the fallout,not after.

That isn't entirely accurate.

Floods of iodides are most effective when taken as a prophylactic prior to fallout exposure, although there isn't the strict necessity (such as in the case of a vaccine) as the media seems to be reporting.

If you've already been exposed, post-contact dosing will help with elimination of the radioiodine, along with plentiful hydration and exercise.

The most problematic species is I-131, which is quite nasty stuff, and possesses a half life of roughly eight days. If you've been exposed, especially without a preventative iodide regimen, that is certainly bad, but the phenomenon of exposure is not merely a point in time. Radiation dose is a function of current body load (rate) times time. Reducing the body's load of radioiodine and doing it as fast as possible mitigates some of the future damage.

Days do count. Playing catch-up weeks later won't do any good.

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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2011, 01:54:19 PM »
It's plain logic.

Iodin is trace element in organism and when you (super)saturate your organism with stable isotopes it won't
take any more,including this unstable one.
Taking it after exposure may do some good,but not as near as before.
As you said,you are basicaly substituting radioiodine this way vs. preventing it from entering thiroid gland at all.

I agree that exposure in USA or Europe is ridiculosly low from this unfortunate event,
much lover than standard medical test with I131 isotope.
but it's good to know how to protect yourself.
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Re: Price of KI going up
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2011, 08:06:06 AM »
Of interest, Shulgin reported in TIHKAL, under the melatonin entry, that it was radioprotective, and the desacetylated derivative, mexamine gave derivatives that were ever more strongly radioprotective when the 5-methyl ether was replaced by longer chains, also reported was that an N-heptafluorobutyroyl group increased efficacy yet further.

Apparently plenty of places worldwide have stopped selling sushi sourced from anywhere near japan, after it all went spectacularly tits up for the japs. Not that I would want to eat raw fish myself, quite a revolting idea.
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2011, 06:03:09 PM »
I can't watch that video jon,it saids is't unavailable in my location.
WTF is all about those "sorry,unavailable in your country" crap all over the internet in last few months?
Even on YouTube! It's INTERNET for Christ sake!

I hate that,those are little things that drive people insane and make them hate USA.
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Re: Price of KI going up
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2011, 11:26:06 PM »
what in the hell the u.s.a. becoming the internet nazis?
yeah i knew we were headed for trouble when uncle tom hired a 'cyber czar'
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