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From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« on: March 23, 2011, 07:49:07 PM »
The title is merely a piece of wordplay, of course, indeed i'm glad to bee here. And the site's ruleset as well as visual design both seem rather promising :0)

Hi everyone. You might remember my nickname from The Hive, otherwise just take a note that i'm a mod of Russian HyperLab which after The Hive ceased to exist moved into a separate place called HyperLab.info.

The only big difference is that in our whereabouts opiates are totally banned, actually it's one of the most strict and ruthless paragraphs of our codex. Whereas here i see an unnerving abundance of such topics (ever seen how people get hooked on junk? had some friends who died at young age of overdosing? went thru a withdrawal and complete loss of appetite for life, one for which there seems to be no light in the end of the tunnel? poor teenagers, they are so naive, they know nothing of the difference between an opiate and any other type of drug on the face of Earth).

Despite that, i am actually quite glad that I have found this place, thanks to Lugh and then Sedit, it has a high level of standarts of discussion and there seems to bee quite a bit of interesting information, previously unheard of in our corner of Universe.

Likewise, i hope i have enough time to make the collaboration between our forums mutually profitable.


;) and best regards from the Russian chemists,



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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2011, 08:23:28 PM »
Nice to see you here!

I admire your forum very much, keep up the good work.

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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2011, 08:55:41 PM »
Great to have you, and I would be more than happy to help your forums in any way - I believe their has been in the past of discussion of the idea of converting all of this forum into russian, and sending it over - and than in return you guys do the same... though, that sounds like a huge pain and its never been discussed much with the members here or there - just in PM from a few different people.
It certainly is a shame there is the language barrier!
Glad you like the site, feel free to invite your friends or who ever else you think might enjoy it and contribute.
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2011, 09:05:30 PM »
Nice to see you here tovariš! ;)

It's unbelievable how much you Russians gave to the world of chemistry,professional and amateur alike!
Only Germans are as good! ;D

Hyperlab is great place,probably best out there,too bad it's Russian Cyrillic only.

Opiates are best drugs ever,but I must agree with you.
If you don't have iron will they WILL destroy you.

P.S.: Vesp read my mind! Mutual translation would be great!
Too bad I don't know Russian well...
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2011, 09:44:56 PM »
Well, you could easily translate it with a machine - that is the best we can ask for I think - which would be tricky since a forum has a lot of misspellings, slang, and chemical formulas...
But still it would be great.
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2011, 11:09:51 PM »
Welcome! I have so much respect for the hyperlab

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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2011, 04:33:03 AM »
Glad you decided to come around Antoncho,

I'm sure you have a dislike of opiates which I can fully understand losing a friend only about a month ago to Dope but in the end its also ignorance of the drugs that leads to this sort of thing so I feel Id rather hear these people speak of there home baked opiate {teks} where they can get feed back on what there getting themselves into as opposed to that fellow over at WD who heard about Loperamide and quickly experimented himself to death because he had no a clue what road he was taking himself down.

Non the lest I think you will find its not as prevalent as it may first seem as most of our members seem more interested in Psychedelics and Stimulants of that nature but to each its owns and we try not to judge unless that person proves themselves completely incompetent.

Welcome to the Vespiary where we won't bash you the second you mention the synthesis of a precursor to a precursor such as some places may. ;).

BTW Ill attempt to send you a PM in the morning linking to the current work I spoke with you about on the Nitroethane synthesis.
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2011, 05:33:41 AM »
Dobroye dyen, good to see you over here.

I remember you from back in the day when the hive was up.


I haven't been on WD in ages, after the 'new WD', never re registered, didn't really like the place it was turning to.
Certainly it must be said the russians and jerrys have it when it comes to drugs and chemistry, at least there, there is medical practise when it comes to memory/cognitive damage, here there isn't unless you are pretty much already a corpse, just one that hasn't stopped breathing yet.

And of course, who can forget that trick pulled in the chechen theater siege, not to mention coming up with a whole load of oxime-treatment impervious nerve agents that put VX to shame...not so sure if that is such a good thing, however.

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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2011, 01:06:12 PM »
The HyperLab is probably one of the best reasons to learn to read cyrillic. It's really good to see such reputated and knowledgable folks around here.


Welcome to the Vespiary where we won't bash you the second you mention the synthesis of a precursor to a precursor such as some places may. ;)

*tisk-tisk* Why this constant noodging, my friend? :)
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2011, 01:35:11 PM »
*tisk-tisk* Why this constant noodging, my friend? :)

Because a well thought out and executed synthesis posted elseware was quickly dismissed as "You stupid drug cook go away". The Knee jerk reaction isn't going to bother him here. He is more then welcome hence the reason I extended my hand and ask him to join us here.
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2011, 01:56:42 PM »
C'mon, give those guys a second chance! :-*
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2011, 04:40:46 PM »
The new "WD" is the Collective, and our members have translated seventy three Hyperlab threads so far   8)
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2011, 07:11:51 PM »
There has been precursor talk that has been quietly suppressed.

I Am not attacking the person who did so, but a precursor to a certain 3,4-disubstituted phenisopropylamine was mentioned, in a context not specificically relating to that actual use, and I was informed 'don't discuss that precursor compound on this site, we want to keep it low profile'

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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2011, 08:33:24 PM »
What was that thing they used in theater siege!?
Some kind of fentanyl!?

I heard Russian military is using some kind of fentanyl in gas hand granades.
LOL I would allways chose that over CS to be thrown at me!

Not mentioning combination of nerve gas and vomiting gas combined that
makes usage of gas mask impossible.

I was allways fascinated and amused what Russians and Germans came with
in chemistry and weapons.
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2011, 09:08:35 PM »
The attached article states that it was probably halothane and a fentanyl derivative  8)
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2011, 06:20:08 PM »
Its quite likely Hitler would have succeeded in taking the UK had he authorized the use of the then new, organophosphate nerve agents on british troops.

He knew we had mustard gas, but germany also had recently developed tabun and sarin, however Hitler didn't know wether the allies had them and was unwilling to risk using them for fear of retaliation in kind.

I think it could well have turned the tide of the war if he had.
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2011, 07:54:54 PM »
No,that explaination is just another lame propaganda example.
Other one was that Germans didn't have means of delivering WMD's.

Those explaination is not just stupid,but insane.
Germany had most advanced ballistic missiles,artillery and planes at the time.
Red Army foun HUGH stockpiles of ready Tabun and Sarin 88mm shells.
He would most certainly used them if he wanted to,at least in last days of Berlin siege.

Hitler despited gases as "covardice warfare",he was exposed to older gas,like Cl2 or somethinglike that in WW1.

When he found out that army is making even worse gases (V series) he banned them immediatley with Führerdekret,
along with atomic bomb project,not in fear of retaliation,but becaus of ideological reasons.
Nationalsocialists (aka. nazis) are eco-extremists,Hitler himself was vegetarian for same reasons.

Germans tested at least one such device in deserted areas of Sweded(or Norway) on Soviet POWs and
there was one big accident in german soil that is cowered up well today.
(Will give you more references when I dig this up.)

UPDATE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDA6Elzs1os&playnext=1&list=PL00F1FEF306E65A22

I know YT clip isn't scientific proof itself but it's good documentary.

Dr. David Irving had a bunch of undisputable evidences decades ago but after he spoke aloud about some
other facts they made smear campain to destroy his reputation.
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2011, 03:10:07 AM »
One of the mustard agents if I remember rightly.
Its a shame about hitler really, all the drugs got to him in the end.
He really could have gone places if he had done a few things differently. Although I certainly don't approve of the stasi, and big brother techniuques of theirs, and a few other things he did/had done. He had the potential I think to have made the world a better place, aside from some particular practises, an environmentalist, and charasmatic, gifted leader who wanted to make a difference, rather than being concerned solely with stuffing his snout in the trough at everybody elses expense.
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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2011, 12:37:11 PM »
Sweet.

Welcome Antoncho. A well remembered name.

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Re: From Russia with Fear and Loathing
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2011, 02:33:43 PM »
hey what's up antoncho??
have'nt heard from you in ages.
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