what is this i hear about bath salts . Sounds pretty lame. but I dunno have younz ever tried it or know what I'm talking about. 
bath salts
« on: March 28, 2011, 08:18:05 AM »
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igetaround
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Vesp
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 07:22:52 PM »
They were just the typical RC drugs being sold as bath salts - things like methylone and what not? I believe...
fractal
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 03:06:08 AM »
Yeah it's just an attempt to get away with selling drugs, unsuccessfully. Sure everyone remember webtrypt. Methylone is great, doesn't have the push that MDMA has. Perfect for a relaxing walk, bike ride. I actually liked bk-MBDB more than I liked MBDB. MDPV is pretty decent, reminds me a lot of amphetamine except it's a bit more euphoric, becomes a bit compulsive at times. 4-MMC is very enjoyable but nothing to do regularly. Lots of talk of neurotoxicity over in ADD at BL. 4-FMC and 3-FMC are both really good too. I never bought them as bath salts though. That sketches me out. Half the time it doesn't even say what it is.
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 03:38:40 AM »
For anyone who has extensively tried this class of legal highs, does anything there compare favorably to the full spectrum available to a chemist, or are they just selling the next best thing because the real stuff is already scheduled?
Having tried JWH-018 and salvia divinorum, it makes me thankful I have access to the good stuff. I can't see there as being much of a market for the second tier except when the good stuff is unavailable.
So is this stuff great because it is great, or great because so many victims of cognitive fascism can't source the banned stuff?
It'd be nice to see something like 2C-I was back when it was being traded as an RC.....more mephedrone and the like shouldn't merit much attention, though, save for a fun synthesis just because we can.
Having tried JWH-018 and salvia divinorum, it makes me thankful I have access to the good stuff. I can't see there as being much of a market for the second tier except when the good stuff is unavailable.
So is this stuff great because it is great, or great because so many victims of cognitive fascism can't source the banned stuff?
It'd be nice to see something like 2C-I was back when it was being traded as an RC.....more mephedrone and the like shouldn't merit much attention, though, save for a fun synthesis just because we can.
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 03:53:15 AM »
No it's not some designer knock off. They are completely new drugs, of course they compare to...actually let me rephrase that. They ARE the chemist's spectrum along with the classics. That's how this all came about. They are all illegal. At least in the US, people just do it anyway. 2C-I was still going around last time I checked.
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2011, 04:14:34 AM »
That's not exactly how I meant it.
So much of the RC trade and legal high trade developed to get around restrictions on explicitly listed compounds. The substitutions in many cases aren't even close to as good as what they're being sold to replace (e.g., mephedrone, JWH-018) but get sold anyway because so many people lack a good connect.
What I was getting at is if somebody really could choose almost anything they wanted...would these be it? Or is the utility here the fact that they can still be bought as bath salts?
2C-I is still around, but not all over, grey market, Paypal accepted websites. Illegal analogs are still all over.
So much of the RC trade and legal high trade developed to get around restrictions on explicitly listed compounds. The substitutions in many cases aren't even close to as good as what they're being sold to replace (e.g., mephedrone, JWH-018) but get sold anyway because so many people lack a good connect.
What I was getting at is if somebody really could choose almost anything they wanted...would these be it? Or is the utility here the fact that they can still be bought as bath salts?
2C-I is still around, but not all over, grey market, Paypal accepted websites. Illegal analogs are still all over.
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2011, 04:52:23 AM »
2C-I is only illegal when marketed for human consumption as far as I know
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 05:13:58 AM »
That's what they say but that won't stand up in court. I've had friends go to jail for having 2C-I. Was just reading an article about someone going to jail for having mephedrone. If you're not working for a legitimate study or lab I wouldn't even try that defense. Look at all the people who got arrested during operation webtrypt. They all stated that nothing was for human consumption. Better just not to get caught lol
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2011, 06:07:32 AM »
I'm not so sure that in the current political climate, the analogues law is being enforced.
Repeatedly, in many articles covering bath salts, it is said that they are legal, even though they are clearly methcathinone analogues (the articles generally don't mention this last part though).
The DEA has said bath salts are items of concern but that to make them illegal, it must be proven they are dangerous.
DEA Names "Bath Salts" a Drug of Concern
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/01/earlyshow/health/main7305536.shtml
This is interesting because it would be easy to enforce the analogues law by tracking orders and busting suppliers and/or consumers, but that is not what the DEA is doing.
Senator Charles Shumer has introduced a bill to make mephedrone and MDPV Schedule I substances, but it says nothing about other methcathinone analogues such as methylone.
Combating Dangerous Synthetic Stimulants Act of 2011
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s409/show
What this means to me (seriously) is that, at least for now, individual researchers can synthesize and work with Schedule I analogues as long as they are not meant for human consumption.
If the authorities are not busting people for selling multi-gram quantities of a Schedule I analogue drug (mephedrone) that they know is a stimulant that people are consuming, why would they raise an eyebrow over some small quantity of unknown exotic Schedule I analogue they've never even heard of?
I'm curious to see whether or not, in the Tea-Party-strong legislature, this anti-freedom bill will pass.
If it doesn't, I believe that is yet another sign that the Drug War is finally, after all these years, winding down.
Repeatedly, in many articles covering bath salts, it is said that they are legal, even though they are clearly methcathinone analogues (the articles generally don't mention this last part though).
The DEA has said bath salts are items of concern but that to make them illegal, it must be proven they are dangerous.
DEA Names "Bath Salts" a Drug of Concern
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/01/earlyshow/health/main7305536.shtml
This is interesting because it would be easy to enforce the analogues law by tracking orders and busting suppliers and/or consumers, but that is not what the DEA is doing.
Senator Charles Shumer has introduced a bill to make mephedrone and MDPV Schedule I substances, but it says nothing about other methcathinone analogues such as methylone.
Combating Dangerous Synthetic Stimulants Act of 2011
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s409/show
What this means to me (seriously) is that, at least for now, individual researchers can synthesize and work with Schedule I analogues as long as they are not meant for human consumption.
If the authorities are not busting people for selling multi-gram quantities of a Schedule I analogue drug (mephedrone) that they know is a stimulant that people are consuming, why would they raise an eyebrow over some small quantity of unknown exotic Schedule I analogue they've never even heard of?
I'm curious to see whether or not, in the Tea-Party-strong legislature, this anti-freedom bill will pass.
If it doesn't, I believe that is yet another sign that the Drug War is finally, after all these years, winding down.
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2011, 07:19:35 AM »
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I believe that is yet another sign that the Drug War is finally, after all these years, winding down.
i would'nt hold my breath.
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2011, 02:31:51 PM »
2C-I is only illegal when marketed for human consumption as far as I know
That's what the letter of the law says, but it doesn't stop them from busting everyone with 2C-I whenever they please, on the theory that the substance has no other use but human consumption outside of very specialized laboratory settings. Certainly nobody is going to get away with claiming esoteric plant research when popped with gelcaps on the way to the Phish concert.
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 07:50:25 AM »
it's what you would call a law of opportunity.
you know sort of like the feds could'nt get capone for anything except tax evasion?
similar principle applies if they want to trump some charges on you well.
you may beat the wrap after spending 15-20k but you won't beat the ride.
you know sort of like the feds could'nt get capone for anything except tax evasion?
similar principle applies if they want to trump some charges on you well.
you may beat the wrap after spending 15-20k but you won't beat the ride.
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Re: bath salts
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 08:11:55 AM »
In the past two months, legislatures all across the United States are scrambling to schedule “bath salts.” The only problem with banning these salts, is that they don’t all contain the same chemical(s). This has caused a bit of confusion, with some states banning only MDPV, and others banning a list including MDPV, Methylone, Mephedrone, Flephedrone, Naphyrone, and just about any other chemical that has ever been put in a bath salt blend. After an extensive search online I found which states were planning to introduce legislation, which states had already, and what chemicals are being or in the process of being banned.
Louisiana – As of January 2011 : methylone, MDPV, mephedrone, flephedone all emergency schedule.
Michigan – As of October 1, 2011: only mephedrone immediate ban.
North Dakota – As of Feb 26, 2011: only mephedrone immediate ban.
Florida – As of Jan 26, 2011: methylone, MDPV, mephedrone, flephedrone all emergency schedule.
North Carolina – As of Feb 11, 2011: mephedrone and MPVD immediate ban.
Idaho – Some articles claimed they had put a ban in place but never specified which drug, simply stated bath salts. Also never saw legal documentation so could be innacurate.
California - Considering the ban of MDPV.
Hawaii - considering ban of MDPV and mephedrone.
This was taken from http://bathsaltsdrug.com/
Louisiana – As of January 2011 : methylone, MDPV, mephedrone, flephedone all emergency schedule.
Michigan – As of October 1, 2011: only mephedrone immediate ban.
North Dakota – As of Feb 26, 2011: only mephedrone immediate ban.
Florida – As of Jan 26, 2011: methylone, MDPV, mephedrone, flephedrone all emergency schedule.
North Carolina – As of Feb 11, 2011: mephedrone and MPVD immediate ban.
Idaho – Some articles claimed they had put a ban in place but never specified which drug, simply stated bath salts. Also never saw legal documentation so could be innacurate.
California - Considering the ban of MDPV.
Hawaii - considering ban of MDPV and mephedrone.
This was taken from http://bathsaltsdrug.com/
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