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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2011, 07:27:43 PM »
I tend to think as far as telepathy goes, that its likely to be more along the lines of a super-receptive hightened cognitive state allowing easier pickup of micro-cues in bodylanguage, and other such areas, and putting them together on the receiving end than a direct exchange of thoughts.
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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2011, 08:57:14 PM »
This is pretty much the conclusion I have arrived at as well after experiencing it atlest 2x in my life. The first time I was almost able to brush it off as not happening but the second time I did not even realize it was happening until someone started to freak out about it. There appears to be a little more to it but if the mind is able to pick up on microexpressions and translate that into the voice of the "transmitter" then what we are left with is in its essence telepathy. If I where willing to take LSD again I would most certinly test to see if this effect carried over with no physical/visual contact once the first signs of the effect are noticed. I would also video tape it to be sure its not just some random psychosis setup to make us believe its happening.


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gosh SEDIT i know its too late to say this but you gotta stay off those SSRIs man .

i can tell your mind is firing on all cylinders.. You believe in telepathy because we evolved as humans with beliefs not facts We have two sides of the brain, one logic and the other creative and spiritual..

Also the conscious mind is small compared to what the unconscious mind takes in. i think people think they are telepathic or have abilities to read people but often i think it is ones unconscious mind reading 15 small signs that your conscious mind never saw, ie a smell from 5 minutes ago, the soft ground you were walking on for a second, birds flying in an unusual direction, a sound, someones clothing choice.

all of this may be ignored by your conscious but your unconscious saw, and made your conscious aware of what the suspicion was. Then your left thinking "how the hell did i know that?"

our mind is more powerfull than our conscious mind leads us to believe.. i think that these conditions are a breakdown of those boundrys..
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I wish it was that simple and happen the way me and Tsathoggua think but its quit possible all of us are off here. There are a few things about the events that don't seem to be possible thru micro cues.... How can one transmitte a number or image thru micro cues? This has been the burning question for years now and with a complete lack of LSD to test theorys and a large amount of fear in taking it even if it where around, its possible I will never get to figure this one out. You suggest that it is a breakdown of bondrys but what if these bondrys are indeed nothing more then something that happens all the time and people normally block out. Science has an issue on how the brain can store all that information. What if it does not store said information yet instead holds it more in the form of some electromagnetic wave form in between the nerves. Simular to a halographic version of data storage. This would lead to a radiant effect of ones thoughts and every piece would contain information of the whole. Its possible the mind that develops conscienceness is nothing more then a filter set to a "frequency" where the information is stored in order to prevent the overload that happens if one where to try to remember everything, everyone has ever thought. Howcome when we dream its vital for the brain to destroy these memorys or convert them to a more user freindly form.

No folks this is not Sedit having a psychotic break these are indeed valid hypothesis.
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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2011, 10:32:07 PM »
Not sure what to make of it, but the brain does have filters of a sort, to block out all sorts of extraneous crap that comes flooding in, just imagine what it would be like if one were to have to remember every visual frame of every action one ever did, or witnessed, or be unable to filter out every last auditory frequency walking down the street, from one cars slightly badly tuned engine, to the birds in the background?

For life.

Your head would explode.

Some of us, come closer to this, than many people do, and yes, sensory overloading is a royal pain in the arse. I am lucky really that I can deal with it via medication as effectively as I do, alpha2 adrenoreceptor agonists seem effectively to squelch all the unpleasantness that comes of it physically, and neatly remove that sort of issue. Dark wraparound shades and tight clothing are found most agreeable also, no eye contact issues when I'm the only one making contact....

(Although I have no problem when it is with somebody close to me, direct eye contact with loved ones doesn't incur the same sort of skin-crawling unpleasantness that having to look at one's generic meat unit picked out at random from the sheeple herd does)


I have often wondered weather consciousness is actually located within cellular electrochemical events taking place, protein conformation states etc, or weather, that all those synchronised nerve impulses might be responsible in another way entirely. All that firing has to create an electromagnetic field, of considerable complexity localised in and around the physical brain...what is to say that consciousness might not reside within the EM field produced by nerve firing. It has already been demonstrated that electromanetic fields can interact with the brain to produce effects upon consciousness and bodily activity, look at transcranial EM stimulation, and see what results pop up.

And damn...doesn't that open the door for some far out thinking...if consciousness were to be manifested in the EM fields produced by firing of the brain, if the brain were to be hardware, using EM fields as the medium..life as we know it, so to speak, could conceivably occur in non-biological systems if the architecture were present to generate dynamically changing EM fields of sufficient integrity and complexity.

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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2011, 11:58:52 PM »
Synesthesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

I've read about some of the sensory scrambling you describe in accounts of aspergers/autism, but can't find it at the moment. 

Also regarding SSRI's, I've noticed that 5 HTP affects me negatively after I got PTSD where before it helped.  I've seen others mention it as well.  Finally found some research that backed it up.  Check out this article on reactivity and SSRI's.

I'm going to try tianeptine for the PTSD, supposed to help rewire the brain connections that are screwed up by too much glucocorticoids.

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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2011, 01:22:14 AM »
Synesthesia is an in teresting "disorder". I would like to learn more about it but the issue with synthesia people is that they do not report the same things from person to person which I would expect. Im sure at times I experience Synesthesia. Letters on the screen always are varied from green to blue to red to yellow but were as some people suggest only vowels are a certine color or this or that I see no real patern there. What I do see is capital letters stand out as red and the other colors show little standards other then to group areas into specific groups. 

I will tell you what, im going to relax and let it happen then color the above the way it appears. Mind you these are only gental tinges of color simular to how when you look at a light bulb the color remains......

Its  very hard to do this and I really can not finish, as I attempt to do this the colors change as the groupings changes making it hard to do this experiment. The green is the only one that is represented with accuracy here. The red and blue are much more subtle. The yellow is more of a glow around the letters. Its such a complex disorder I would love to speak with someone who experiences clinical Synesthesia to see if there experiences are simular. There seems to be a standard that Synesthesia makes you creative where as im under the impression that its the creativity that makes Synesthesia. Its not a true cross linking of the brain but more of the brain calling on another area when its creative part tells you so. Its like looking at the clouds and seeing pictures. Or when morning time comes after taking MDMA and suddenly all the trees look like happy little faces and each has its own soul. Its the creative center of the brain making things up for you.



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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2011, 03:47:33 AM »
yeah sedit we ought to make dmmda a project antibody says it has that mdma aspect where everything takes on a vibrant beautiful glow.
he said it was the best of all of them.
i think it could be a therapuetic substance just like mdma and parsely oil is not watched likely never will be.

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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2011, 04:53:25 AM »
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Howcome when we dream its vital for the brain to destroy these memorys or convert them to a more user freindly form.
My guess is because we don't have enough space to store all the data, so dreaming is a way to compress it so that we remember only the important shit. Kinda like if you try to close your eyes and picture someone's face, you see a blurry black and white image or outline with emphasis on the important features, instead of a high definition image with color.

An interesting video about why we dream:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teJvG2Kr-us
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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2011, 05:48:54 AM »
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Howcome when we dream its vital for the brain to destroy these memorys or convert them to a more user freindly form.

I make up explanations for things sometimes - I think it is just to exercise the neural connections on things that we deem as important but are rarely used. They are erased afterwards so our conscious self does not get confused from reality vs imaginary.

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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2011, 07:32:57 AM »
My hunch is that dreaming acts either to flush out the buffers, so to speak, of short-term/working memory, or as part of the mnemonic consolidation and or learning processes, helping to integrate what has been learned or experiences.

Working memory is known to only be able to hold a few items at a time before a 'buffer overflow' occurs, and capacity is used up, it wouldn't surprise me at all if short term memory has a similar limitation, and needs a periodic cycle of sifting through, sorting, and disposing of what is in essence, crap.

Interesting is the fact that melatonin powerfully inhibits hippocampal LTP, yet at the same time, appears vital for it to occur, suggesting differential regulation by melatonergic neurotransmission of mnemonic function depending on what prescisely, or perhaps when (or both) is occuring. Reminds me of BDNF in that aspect, where functioning is incredibly complex, BDNF being neuroprotective, and TrkB signalling capable of dramatically enhancing survival, growth and differentiation of new synapses and neurons, yet also negatively modulates the alpha7 type CNS nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (activation of which is nootropic, and enhances memory retention, as evinced by the difference in activity/efficacy between galantamine, an agonist at the alpha7 NAChR, and other cholinesterase inhibitors), and decreases LTP, depending on where it is realeased.

Interesting theory Vesp, never thought of that before.

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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2011, 10:12:58 AM »
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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2011, 08:05:17 AM »
May 14 comming up, give or take a day or so either way will be a hell storm......
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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2011, 01:58:28 AM »
"Neuropsychological correlates of amygdala activityEarly research on primates provided explanations as to the functions of the amygdala, as well as a basis for further research. As early as 1888, rhesus monkeys with a lesioned temporal cortex (including the amygdala) were observed to have significant social and emotional deficits.[22] Heinrich Klüver and Paul Bucy later expanded upon this same observation by showing that large lesions to the anterior temporal lobe produced noticeable changes, including overreaction to all objects, hypoemotionality, loss of fear, hypersexuality, and hyperorality, a condition in which inappropriate objects are placed in the mouth. Some monkeys also displayed an inability to recognize familiar objects and would approach animate and inanimate objects indiscriminately, "

"Some studies have shown children with anxiety disorders tend to have a smaller left amygdala. In the majority of the cases, there was an association between an increase in the size of the left amygdala with the use of SSRI's (antidepressant medication) or psychotherapy. The left amygdala has been linked to social anxiety, obsessive and compulsive disorders, and post traumatic stress, as well as more broadly to separation and general anxiety.[26] In a 2003 study, subjects with borderline personality disorder showed significantly greater left amygdala activity than normal control subjects"

Wiki quote so I dont forget them. The mis managment of Dopamine in this region of the brain appears to be responsable for a few ailments.
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« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2011, 03:01:50 AM »
The natural sleep cycle plays a vital role in integrating short-term experiences and emotions into long-term memory. Studies have found that sleep deprivation following a profoundly unpleasant, tragic, or angering experience prevents the afflicted person from being fully able to cope with what has happened and let it go rationally.

The sleep has to be good, full, uninterrupted REM sleep. It must be a full sleep cycle carried out in a dark environment.

Short naps, drunkenness, certain drugs, and the presence of light counter the integrating effect.

This is why people who have been denied rest become emotional, agitated, and operating outside the realm of reason.

This is why sleep deprivation is such an effective coercive technique, especially applied to anyone going through a very difficult experience (as is usually the case, when a captor, legal or otherwise, has the power to deprive sleep).

This is why people go fucking bonkers several days into a MA binge. I've seen some normally very intelligent and rational people smoke crystal for days straight - not a single one of them can properly handle emotion within the bounds of reason.

This lack of sleep is responsible for so much of what plagues our societies and manifests similarly to mental illness. When people are short, rude, prone to outbursts, full of anger, thinking with their emotions, and unable to find balance - chances are that person has a shitty sleep experience. They may not be getting enough sleep, they may not stay asleep, they may go to sleep with the television on, they may have a disruptive partner nearby, among other things.

There was a time when I shrugged it off. There was a time when I could afford to be haphazard about sleep. Slowly things changed, and I've come to see its importance, both on a regular basis, and following exceptionally negative circumstances.

Nothing takes that raw pain away like 6mg melatonin, 300mg methaqualone, 8 hours of darkness, and a mind which has previously practiced letting go.

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« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2011, 03:14:58 AM »
While I agree mostly with your assessment that sleep plays a vital role in such disorders, arguing to myself back in the day about experiments performed where sleep deprived people started to dream while awake, I see a single flaw comming from personal experience where I can with ease, sleep for 12 hours undisturbed, yet still feel like shit the next day mentally and physically.

Im not so sure if its so much a mismanagment of sleep, or more along the lines of a mismanagment of the sleep producing/produced, chemicals. If one where unable to metabolize the forrunners of sleep or the left over chemicals of sleep you can bet it would be followed with a host of mental illnesses.
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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2011, 04:12:19 AM »
Define "feel like shit"?

What happens on a mental/psychological level can be worlds apart from what happens on a physiological level.

Sleep disturbances do bring out in healthy people dealing with negativity some of the sort of thoughts, behaviors, and triggers we normally associate with mental illness.

Chemically, it is certainly an interesting question.

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« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2011, 05:19:38 AM »
Feel like shit(adj): The act of feeling like a pile of soft squishy goo expelled from the anus of an animal. ;D

No seriously though, when I say that I mean it makes the physical body and mental body both exausted. It seems the more sleep, the worse I feel leading up to a point where if to much sleep is had its pretty common place to have a serious headache that does not go away. Focus is out of the question at this point and muscle pains/weakness are not uncommon.

These effects did not present themselfs in the slightest and where the exact opposite when working 7pm-7am and sleeping 8am- around 4pm. This lead me to believe in a strong Meletonin play somewhere along the lines yet recent experience with Meletonin and L-DOPA( not at the same time) seem to suggest that each may play there own role in it. L-DOPA did something amazing which if I wasnt sick with the flu right now I would write a report about. It simulated the ill effects THC gives me. No other substance has been found that produced this overwhelming mental effect and researching the web I have found papers that suggest L-DOPA speeds up the cycle of Bipolar disorder which goes along with personal findings where upon wakening I can pretty much lose it at the drop of a hat. Please dont make me define "lose it" and just leave it at that. We will just say it would not be hard for me to bury a body then think about it later type of mentality.

As much as I want to believe in Melationin being a suspect the power of the Dopamine from L-DOPA(115mg) shows me that something is seriously wrong with that. On the flipside sometimes it made me feel great, even manic... other times it made me look with a blank stare of an autistic child. Point being there is other factors yet Dopamine and more then likely enviromental factors, playing on the amygdala are some of the more key players in Bipolar disorder. Melatonin is just a side effect of the enviromental factors and plays a relatively minor role in it.(<---- Thoughts Subject to change)
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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2011, 05:39:17 AM »
Heh, since you mention it....that flat-affect icy look right through you autie stare..

Drives me nuts in a lady, fuck, is that ever hot. My girl has grey eyes, that look right inside you like that.
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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2011, 08:20:19 AM »
Don't believe everything you read.  Sleep deprivation in the short term can be antidepressant.  Effect goes away when you sleep.

There are differences in how much sleep people need and I haven't seen anything conclusive in terms of we need it or how much - there are other ways to sleep - like Edison - cat napping.  It has to be done a certain way in a regular schedule.  We sleep when we feel like it and stay up when we feel like that.

I understand sedit's emotional reactivity.  That is a key symptom of ptsd as well as emotional numbing.  My reactivity has calmed down a lot since I started tianeptine and also taking DHA.   It could be the sign of an overactive HPA but it could also be one of those weird serotonin/gaba influences that Aspies have.  It seems like a lot of stuff works backwards on my husband.  Suspecting 5HT2a is involved but don't remember where I got that impression.  PTSD sucks.  But I'm a lot better - like I remember now I've got calamus in the microwave and don't want to let it dry......
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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2011, 12:22:14 AM »
Good test I found, it explains they have identified higher density of up to 45% of Mono amines receptors in the Thalamus and Ventral brain stem.

Evidence of Brain Chemistry Abnormalities in Bipolar Disorder
http://bipolar.about.com/cs/menu_science/a/press_umich0210.htm
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Re: Different take on Mental illness.
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2011, 07:49:17 PM »
well i guess we solved that problem