Lend me your ear for a minute while I write down some general ideas that have been fluttering thru my head for the past couple nights.

It is the general consensus amongst the medical community today that if you are not exactly like everyone else you must in one way or another either need therapy or medication. I would however like to suggest an alternative theory for some disorders that affect many people these days at an apparently increasing rate.

I feel there may very well be an evolutionary explanation to the majority of "mental illnesses". First of all I would like to focus on Bipolar disorder because this is something that I know all to well and recent activity's have possibly taught me something allowing my mind to once again awaken itself. Bipolar people seem to have almost no problem what so ever staying awake yet there ability to get to sleep is very poor. At the same time while attempting to adjust back to a normal day shift the bipolar person may find themselves feeling very tired and ill all thru the day. I am starting to feel very strongly that its major cause is one of a variation in the way that melatonin is used in the body. I have heard many people taking what sounds like extremely large dosages of Melatonin, 20mg and up, however one 3mg dose of Melatonin is enough for myself to acquire a splitting headache unlike any other kind I have ever had. This same sort of headache happens when I sleep to much as well leading me to believe that the biological sensitivity to this compound could be great and there is only very low levels naturally available under normal conditions.

The logic I'm following here is one of evolution. There must have at one point in time been nightwatchman so to speak. Someone had to stay awake all night staring at the stars, while the rest of the clan slept to ensure the safety of the rest of the population. Sensitivity in the motion detectors of the eye under dim lighting is a benefit allowing rapid identification of any and all movement that might be around in the night. Hyper sensitivity in other senses such as hearing can also benefit this person. However, in the hustle and bustle world during the day you can expect these hyper sensitive senses to seriously get in the way of normal every day operations sending the brain into an overload state where it will cope by shutting down in many cases. The range of an adaptation like this should be taken into consideration to evaluate if there is some merit to this hypothesis. First of all how many people can a single person overlook during the night, 10, 20, 50? Given that all a single watchman would have to do is send out a yell to awaken the others I feel the numbers could prove to be quite large. This would give a general population of 1 out of n people have adapted to work the nightshift. Meaning one out of n people have some sort of sleeping/mental disorder of this nature.

I recently put in an 84 hour work week all night shift. You would think this would make someone feel bad and over worked however for the first time in a while I felt great. I felt better then that, I started to dream once again and my memory started to return.

I'm writting this after a 4th day of next to no sleep so if my seemingly loose associations and poor writting confuse you feel free to ask questions.

Another disorder it got me thinking about is obsessive compulsive disorders. Hoarders for instance would have great benefit to a clan by ensuring that times of plenty last thruout times of famine. OCD can be brushed off just as simply by suggesting that a mother who circles the bed exactly 5 times everynight after laying her little ones down would have the effect of making sure no predators where waiting in the woods to eat them while they sleep. Also making sure that there is an even number of food sitting out would ensure non went hungry since two is always greater then one.



Like I said my brain is a whirlwind right now from lack of sleep and its funny to suggest this but where as many peoples brains fail during periods of sleep deprivation mine and some others appear to jump start at this time as the body fatigues the mind awakens. It can lead to some serious issues in normal life but one point in time it would have been by far for the greater good.

I will generally update this thread with further ramblings as they come to mind and maybe a shred of hard facts if I ever find them. Right now I have to go somewhere so I cannot finish writting this. The one disorder I'm trying to figure out is how would the extra chromosome of down syndrome benefit anyone? That is such a blatant genetic difference that figuring out its use could aid in validating my beliefs.

well at the pink tiger institute they have found the christian gene
so this theory may have some validity check it out.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzbNkyXO50[/youtube]

Perhaps your right in that it helps the expressor of the gene in no way but is it possible it aids the carrier? Its just something I was thinking about since I first posted this. I know its a stretch but possibly that extra chromosome, which is a pretty large mutation to happen randomly here or there, could be more benificial to the parents of the child then the child itself.

Any idea how having a seriously down syndrome affected child, able to do little for himself, aid the parents in survival? How about his brothers and sisters. Make that the entire community the child was in.

In my limited experience, alot of  people with diagnosed mental illness who may have been just hyper sensitive before, get pushed over the edge by smoking to much weed. weed is worse than people think IMO

i know about 5 or 6 bipolar people. but i know 0 bi polar people who havnt also smoked alot of weed

ie a 'night watchmen' type of person always on the alert, give him heaps of weed and he likes it because he finally is relaxed but it actually makes paranoia alot worse which is when things might get unstable mentally

This is exactly how it was matter of fact. The thing is I started to develop symptoms at a rather rare and early age of 8. Weed use seemed to make the issues subside for sometime in my teens until one day while very stoned it all broke through worse then before. I thought it was something in the pott but after a while I had no choice but to accept this is how weed affects me now. Siblings of mine who have very little experiance with drugs claim that is how pott always made them feel hence there little experience with it. Hallucinations where not uncommon and, in hindsite, something I should have been treated for back then, however while this was going on I would have to say that in this state my mind was far and beyond what it is now. Sure I seen cop lights on the tops of car, armys of people comming at me all the time after dark, trees in the corner of the eyes up and walk away and a general loss of time/space perspective, but at the same time the thought process was almost of a super natural state and the reading and comprehension abilitys where very high able to read hundreds of pages of information if not more in a single sitting. Almost like an LSD trip except where you could understand the rapid thoughts flooding your brain.

I have come to realize that these "hallucinations" where mearly effects of altered motion detection. And minor moment in the corner of the eye was enhanced 10x if not much more. I came to understand this by taking time lapse of vibrating places and compairing the results with personal observation. Even if I could not see them moving, since it was to slow to observe, in that state they would appear to be slowly drifting in the direction that they where ever so slowly moving in and when some little pressure in the back of my eye, which I still don't fully understand, would cause it to "snap" back into its real possition. To get an idea of what I mean by "snaping" hallucinations eat some Dautra or Diphenylhydramine. Further experimenting showed that Ultrasonic sounds made a shinny metal grid appear to shimmer like a heatwave over a road. I was literally seeing sounds, transversal waves, in the forms of colors(sometimes) and imaginated movement.

I know it seems all a bit odd but 90% of everything I live with can be experienced by eating a simple hit of LSD. I had hoped that LSD could aid me in locating the source of all these effect but since LSD is a receptor whore and pretty much effects everything in one way or another, there was no real means of what causes the symptoms. However Seretonin, which would be the most likely suspect, is not the trigger since it would also be present in MDMA use as well. Im leaning more towards some sort of NA and histamine reaction evident by the antihistamine hallucinations more accurately matching thouse formed naturally.

I strive to find the cause since even though this thread seems rather odd and full of my beliefs, I also think that whatever triggers the Hallucinations also connects one persons mind with everyone elses. Im 100% convinced telepathy exist and for me there is no denying it. The only thing thats been bugging me for well over a decade now is how can it possibly be. The answer may come in the form of microexpressions everyone makes as they think. If the brain is able to recognize these and convert it to audio data in the head without filtering this normally useless data before its reaches conscience level, then we would have an answer to reading minds in the form of a pill. Its been a quest for quite some time now. I ned either LSD with none of the intensity it contains or on the flipside all the intensity minus LSD side effects. The latter is more then likely the answer as it would be Noradrenaline related.

Not everything happens by adaptive response,

Your right in that most mutations are just random however its natural selection that makes it last. 

I agree, That is the reason I went and ended on SSRIs in the first place, I was going to discuss with my doctor the possibility that I may be schizophrenic. It was the reaction to Amitriptyline. Why they would think Tricyclics where bad and an SSRI would work good is beyond me.

My times out in left field normally means I dont have the time as my head whirls to seak out references for this and that which I learned maybe 20 years ago. That sort of thing slows the progress of the creative mind. However the information I place out is simple for people to double check themselfs. I don't wish to make any claims other then somethings wrong and docs said MRIs look bad. I dont think there is a true difference between Autism, BP or Schizophrenia, I believe the schizo affective disorders are just poor classing of this single problem as is the classing of Autism, BP, or Schizophrenia. I chose not to slow down my creative mind by placing this thread in the Den so that I dont have to trouble my mind with currently useless information of providing references so that others can catch up with the 20 years of hellish personal research I have delt with.

Looking at it like that it almost looks clear that BP is just the halfway point inbetween the despressed Autism and the Mania charged Schizophrenia. There appears to be something in ones body that perhaps a hormone or maybe Melatonin itself that triggers this reaction. What ever maycome they all share a root cause and this needs to be found so that better classing and medication can be developed.

The beta Carboline thread of mine speaks of something that may shead a large beacon of light on the subject as it mentions how Melatonin or Seretonin can be Metabolized into there Dimethylated equivalents. Imagine taking a DMT trip out of the blue and how it would feel. It normally don't react like this until the body has not had light input for sometime, IE: sleep...possibly being the number one trigger of dreams... (Hey, I started dreaming again thats right..hmmm....) but if there is a dysfunction in this system either we would have to much Melatonin build up leading to a great amount of sleep or we would have it metabolized incorrectly converting into 5-MeO-DMT while one is still awake.

Thats how Tricyclics acted on me. It was like a stoned PCP trip. Lexapro did not have this action until a few weeks into it and it was much milder then most SSRIs. Thats what did me in. I thought it could be different. I spoke with the good doctor and he suggested they are seeing alot more success with this because it was much more specific then most other SSRIs and I assumed the negative side effects must have been associated with another Seretonin sub receptor. By the time downregulation started it was just to late to make the correct choices. Down regulation caused by SSRIs is the worst thing I ever experienced in my life.

I trusted my first but he was a temp filling in for someone with cancer. When she came back she cut my benzos in half and shit it the fan. I trust very few now. The first one was able to quickly rattle off what receptors Lexapro hit. The rest sounded like they seen to many Paxil commercials.

Fucking Drs, trained monkeys, with the 0dd one who has realised this, and starts thinking abit more for themselves. I guarantee, anyone on a real bad ass day, and if they presented to a REAL WELL TRAINED SHRINK, I gaurantee most, if not all, would be defined as mentally ill. My suggestion is to accept this, rather than test it out for yourself. Ive been diagnosed heaps, and I also have a good Dr, who laughs at my stories of diagnoses, he knows to well that what I am saying is true. There is a time and place for meds, but thats when people are acting out a need to feel that they are loved and cared about, YOU KNOW< THE I THINK I WANT TO SHOOT MYSELF. That game, or I am hearing voices, and they are telling me to shooot myself. NOT ME<  heavens above, IM NOT RESPONSIBLE> its those nasty voises in my head, that my ego thinks it is not EGO, The mind will play tricks, and unfortunately its tricked the DR professional, and fucked up to many exceptionally gifted and bright, yet sensitive PEOPLE. I call sensitive people as people who have heart, and feel shit, when the rest of us have been hardened and accept this shit we call society.

Sorry on a roll, its not me, its the voice in my head doing it. hahahahahah. MY aoplogies to any voices.

End of rant.

yeah, but your not a license - ed  practitioner of Medicine. That is unethical, so the truth of the matter isn't going to be stated by most fucking DRS. Theyve got the superman complex, you know save the misfortunate fuck whose having a bad week, and meds are prolonging it, Plus once theyve got you, then they can act out all there shit on you. Like cut you of, try to control you, a battle may arise. Half the time these CUNTS dont even tell the Patient that these illnesses do in fact, and can in fact burn themselves out. So most who are diagnosed think its for life. Its fucked up, and your right, there's better ways than jumping in front of a bus. Thats messy, might not work, why not get serious. If you haven't got the right to kill yourself, then whose fucking life is it. When my Mum died, I had to push these cunts for fucking stronger meds, They were giving her morphine, making her sick. Why not slap a fentenyl patch on her ass, and give her a fentanyl lollipop to boot. But no, they dragged it out for fucking days. Its fucking immoral and best I shut the fuck up, because I dont see much is going to change.

gosh SEDIT i know its too late to say this but you gotta stay off those SSRIs man .

i can tell your mind is firing on all cylinders.. You believe in telepathy because we evolved as humans with beliefs not facts We have two sides of the brain, one logic and the other creative and spiritual..

Also the conscious mind is small compared to what the unconscious mind takes in. i think people think they are telepathic or have abilities to read people but often i think it is ones unconscious mind reading 15 small signs that your conscious mind never saw, ie a smell from 5 minutes ago, the soft ground you were walking on for a second, birds flying in an unusual direction, a sound, someones clothing choice.

all of this may be ignored by your conscious but your unconscious saw, and made your conscious aware of what the suspicion was. Then your left thinking "how the hell did i know that?"

our mind is more powerfull than our conscious mind leads us to believe.. i think that these conditions are a breakdown of those boundrys..