Having given up the hunt ,back in 95,when everything turned to shit and settled down(bla,bla) ,I 've started a new hobby

A few months ago ,rather unexpectedly,I came across some yellow oil that smelt very floral. So I decided to take the plunge, get the gear i needed and have a go! Admittedly,if I knew how hard it was going to be,I wouldn't have spent the time and money pursuing this ?

So after learning to distill, follow methylmans  wacker (must be 7 times now) and then Gonzo's amination ,I still have nothing as a final product :'(

Instead of asking about these processes,I've decided to take a step back and question whether the yellow oil I have is what I think it is.
Originally all I did in the beginning was the congealing point test which was about 4 degrees Celsius.After vac distilling , I checked this again and it was about 11.All good,so I thought.Having progressed from there, convinced I had the real deal,I when on to perform the other steps.
Now having gone back to the beginning I realize I should have done a few more tests.

I measured the specific gravity of the original oil which was roughly 1.03.....  but the distilled product shows 1.02 (oh) .From what I've read this should be nearer 1.09.

Also ,I did a spot test using sulfuric acid(read this from a pdf labeled SCITEC21_07fin) which came up orange/brown).Now I am worried!!! cos it says it should be Purple.

Sorry for being such a retard but I would appreciate ,at least ,a step in the right direction.

I 've got a feeling that what I've got is just complete shit and I've been chasing a dream that won't happen,

Thanks for your help!

Hey amindset, I understand where your coming from! Im currently in the same boat. I have probably invested >€1000 in the persuit of honey, and I have never even tryed it before!! After failing with the iodosafrole route, I'm gonna synth some p-benzoquinone from paracetamol tomorrow and give the tried and trusted Wacker a run. I too m a bit unsure about my oil quality. I have 3kg of a floral oil, its a light yellow coloured oil but when I tried an atmospheric distilation in turned to black oil!

Gonna give it a GAA wash this run, then destill and hopefully crystilise it to characterise. Best of luck anyways!

Ha,Ha, OH,it's gone!

Sorry

yes,i distilled the ketone under vac,

The method was"Benzoquinone Wacker Oxidation of Safrole in Methanol" by Methyl Man

As instructed ,now distilling without vac, so I'll report back.

Sorry for being 'STUPID",i should have done that.

Thanks for your help Shake;D

Just noticed Palladium!Hi, I was thinking of doing the iodo route but stuck with the Wacker.


Oh Fuck!!,first distill coming over at 200.

Guess it not the right stuff!!

I'm off to cry now :'(

i am sorry to say this, but if your distillation was done correctly, you dont have any safrole

also so the original oil come over at 32 and the the green stuff came over about 45-47

you mean 132 and 145 147?

if your oil came over at 32 under vac something is a miss lol

try this simple test.

in a shotglass put a 5 mills of your oil, and add 5 - 10 mills dilute sulfuric then heat up a clean pot on your hotplate till it is quite hot then throw the contents of the shotglass on the hot surface, wait till it boils away and see what colour all the residue is, should be all over everything

if you dont have sulfuric, use acid from a car battery

Just to elaborate on the simple test,

There's a mixture of black and green left after it boiled away.A bit more green than Black

Please can you tell me what this means.

Thanks

Thanks Shake ,I'll try that!!

Unfortunately  I think your right.Such a shame as I've got a few gallons of it.Too good to be true

I tried distilling again at room temp and it came over as before(not good) .

Oh well,time to move on.Having invested so much time (and money on equipment) ,I might try another project.

From what I know,alot was spent on this stuff, many years ago.In fact, too much  which didn't make sense after researching the cost of this oil.All i originally was  told was that this had something to do with ice(MA) and thats all the bloke knew.Knowing my self   that ice(not my thing) comes from eph    and then smelling this     ,I made the stupid assumption it had something to do with the honey .
I'm even more curious ,after all this, to know exactly what the fuck I have.!!!

Does Sass degrade over time? If so into what? What courses the g

I'm starting to go through essential oil books to see if what i've got matches anything.

What  the fuck has a congealing point similar to the golden oil(11 c)   and a  boiling point 30 c less.

Any suggestions??

lol better send some to me ill check, send a couple litres

dont give up just get some sass and soldier on!!

no, there is no such thing as an impure distillate(other than azeotropes) which is not what we have here, i mean, its being distilled, thats the bp, thats what it is, there is no "oh but it might be an impure version of this or that".

bp approx 200 that what it is, now just have to put the pieces together, smell, viscosity, colour, bp, weight, amphetamine connection..

I hope your right Pd,btw, good luck with your venture.I've been following your questions( and answers  by the people in the know).
Not in this for the wealth, just in it solo and cos i remember how good it was nearly 20 years ago(at least around here).The problem with doing this solo is that you don't know where your going wrong!!

I know this stuff is worth something(or at least was to someone a few years back) but without knowing what it is,its worth shit.I only started this because I thought it would lead me to the honey.

But,as I've got it?


Need to find out what it  is!!





Thanks

thanks, i have done plenty of fractional distillations, i just made a dumb call