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JustDreaming

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Metyrapone
« on: May 29, 2011, 08:07:35 PM »


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Metyapone has been found in early human trials to reduce recollection of emotional memories in normal volunteers. The volunteers showed significant impairment in ability to retrieve memories with negative emotional content while not impairing memories with neutral content. This has significant implication in the study of the process of emotional healing in post traumatic stress disorder.[2][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metyrapone

This may not be the most interesting compound to the vast majority on this website but I am personally very curious about its use in therapy. Maybe some of the others are as well :). Anyhow I'd like to discuss possible routes to synthesis and possibly acquire some journal articles about it. So please share :).
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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 08:12:58 PM »
I'm thinking bromination of pyridine to hit the meta position(first). but that carbon cross-hair looks tricky. Anyone have any ideas :)?
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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2011, 08:38:53 PM »
The cross hairs may not be as difficult as you think but I can not really offer suggestions right now.

I'm curious, do you know why this impairs memories? Not just that but why just "negative" emotions? This is a subjective experience if somethings positive or negative. It could be dangerous to use a substance that inhibits one from learning from there mistakes.



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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2011, 09:55:50 PM »
Interesting substance if it does that safely and reliably ..

Thats what anandamide is suposed to do . I also read that beta blockers can do the same in some cases .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metyrapone Sounds good to me as long as it only effects the bagage that we carry with us after we have learned from it . "Metyrapone blocks cortisol synthesis" sounds good to stop the damage cortisol can do when a person goes through a load of stress too . BUT reading the rest about how Metyrapone works makes me think i would have to have a LOT more info about any possible dangers / negative effects before i would use it  ....... till then i`ll keep manipulating my anandamide receptors........

I`d like to hear more about it and the how it works if anyone has any more info ? .
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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 12:44:23 AM »
I think the main reason for investigation is for therapy sessions. To allow someone with repressed or blocked memories access them objectively and allow them to come to terms with them without any further adrenal association.

I do agree sedit that this is not something that should be used daily and out in public or anything for obvious safety reasons hahaha. In therapy though it seems endlessly valuable for PTSD and perhaps learned fear that has developed into anxiety disorders. Needless to say it is a possible tool that seems interesting enough to have in the tool chest :).
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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 12:57:08 AM »
Needless to say it is a possible tool that seems interesting enough to have in the tool chest :).

I agree, please continue to post any finding on this compound or any similar substances. Without knowing much about its actions I would have to assume its effects are due to the blocking of cortisol meaning that stressful memories are unable to form. Very interesting approach that I have never heard of before.

I can picture something like this being used as a proactive anti PTSD given to say soldiers prior to going into battle to prevent them from forming bad memories about the battle. Still to many factors to say for sure but it does seem like it will show some effectiveness in the medical field.
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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 09:30:04 AM »
kidding, right sedit?

Adrenal suppression causes muscular weakness and extreme tiredness, as well as a reduction in heart rate and BP.
From observation of my other half, there is no chance she would be able to function as a soldier.

Justdreaming has a far better idea for the usage of the stuff, they tried beta-blockers for this I believe.
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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 01:41:08 PM »
Its that it messes with hormon systems that makes me wary . Them there systems and their actions are complicated . Its one thing messin with memory responses by useing cannabis to manipulate anandamide receptors getting them to do what they are suposed to do and another fucking with hormon systems . The same goes for beta blockers ....... i like my heart and through personal experience the effects of beta blockers can sometimes put the shits up me .

To put it another way . After looking at the way it works and beta blockers work i think that it would be better if scientists were allowed to experiment with manipulating anandermide receptors / system useing cannabinoids as thats what that system has been reported to be for = dealing with bad memorys . That to me means that there are less posible dangers and dangerous dangers if there are any dangers manipulating that system than hormon systems .

But i would still like to know more about the way it works and if there are any real theraputic use posibilitys . BUT ...... who ya gonna test it on ?

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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 01:45:05 PM »
Kidnap some paedophiles, traumatize them, then attempt psychotherapy.

Shoot afterwards.

I don't think there is a huge degree of risk using this on an occasional basis as an adjunct to therapy, although IMO it would need predosing before the session due to being a synthesis inhibitor.

Obviously not enough to cause an adrenal crisis would be used, and if needs be, cortisol, a mineralocorticoid, and even dexamethasone if needs be could be kept on hand as injectables.

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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 03:50:20 PM »
Anyone with Pubmed access?

Dose-dependent suppression of adrenocortical activity with metyrapone: effects on emotion and memory.

Roozendaal B, Bohus B, McGaugh JL.


Center for the Neurobiology of Learning and Memory, University of California, Irvine 92697-3800, USA.
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Different levels of circulating corticosterone are considered to produce different emotional states and effects on learning and memory. The purpose of the present study was to use different doses of the 11-beta-hydroxylase inhibitor metyrapone to produce dose-dependent inhibition of the synthesis of corticosterone and examine the consequences of that on several cognitive and emotional parameters. Systemic (SC) injections of metyrapone (25 or 50 mg/kg) dose-dependently suppressed increases in plasma concentrations of corticosterone induced by spatial training in a water maze, but did not affect plasma corticosterone levels in non-stressed rats. Treatment with the higher and lower dose of metyrapone also differentially affected behavioral measures of emotion and memory. Administration of 50 mg/kg, but not 25 mg/kg, of metyrapone impaired acquisition performance in the spatial water maze task. Both doses of metyrapone impaired retention. The impairment in retention was attenuated by dexamethasone (0.3 mg/kg) given systemically immediately after training, but not by corticosterone (0.3 mg/kg). During the exposure to a conditioned stressor of inescapable footshock, the higher, but not the lower dose of metyrapone attenuated fear-induced immobility. In contrast, the lower, but not the higher dose attenuated the anxiety state in an elevated plus-maze in a novel environment immediately after exposure to the conditioned stressor. It is suggested that emotion, learning, and memory are differentially affected by the different doses of metyrapone due to interference with different types of adrenal steroid receptors and consequent induction of various corticosterone receptor states.

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Re: Metyrapone
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 10:27:52 PM »
Here you go Sedit!