Instructions were obtained from the internet explaining how to make crystals from a mixed mescalin cacti alkaloid extraction . Then were adjusted . The aim being to get clean crystals without haveing to use heat and the resulting evaporation = the stink pissing the neighbours off from as little of a petrol based solvent as possible . The solvent was bought from a builders market and is called washbenzin . On the can it said something about 60 % alphatic(?) something that was to small to be read .
First the results of a cacti extractiopn from about 6 meters of about 12 cm wide E:Pachanoi and E.Peruvianus that was about 1.2 to 1.75 liters was mixed with tap water in a 15 liter carboy to make about 6 liters of water extract mix .
Everything was done in a bath just in case .
The carboy was put in a bath and cold water was let into the bath to just before the carboy would float to keep the heat down when adding the KOH .Then a drain cleaner that contains KOH and aluminium nuggets was added . When the litmus paper showed PH 10 more was added to try to get the PH up to about 13 . Looking in the internet had said that when the PH reaches about 13 the litmus paper would turn black . It didnt .
After it had cooled 1 liter of the solvent was added and swirled every few minutes and then left to stand overnight .
The next day the mixture was put in a sepp funnel and alowed to separate . The separation was very good . Then the water / alkaloid part was drained off and a mixture of about 3 parts tap water and one part 38 % sulphuric acid was added squirtwise . When the water / acid part turned a little beige no more was addeed . The mixture was swirled often and after a few hours about 250 mls of distilled water was added and the mixture swirled again and then left to separate . When it did it was saved to a 5 liter carboy .
This was all repeated several times untill there was about two liters in the 5 liter carboy the mixture was about PH 2 so KOH was added to make it PH 6 - 7 . . .
Then the combined mixture was filtered and put in a 10 liter stainless steel saucepan and left overnight so that the rest benzin could evaporate and then heated untill it started steaming to try to get any rest solvent off . .
This mixture was put in a freezer over night and on the next day taken out and filtered . The resulting crystals were left to dry overnight just by the dryness of the air in the room .
This was done 4 times .
The amount of crystals that came out was very supriseing and they constituted about 1/3 of the volume of the solution . The first two batches were to wet to be weighed .
Someone with a chemistry knowledge was asked about the volume of crystals and what they could be . He said salt as that can be a result of adding to much acid and then haveing to add a lot of alkali to make the mixture neutral . The person was asked and said that the crystals should be OK to taste . The first bach was tasted and tasted like very weak table salt with a little bitterness . The second batch of crystals was tasted and it tasted different like even further weakened salt + a slight solvent taste + a smaller tinge of bitterness than in the first batch . The next two batches were not tasted .
Each batch of crystals got smaller and the crystalls looked different . When the first two batches of crystals were removed from the stainless stell drying pans they left crystals some of witch looked to an unexperienced eye like the crystals that had been expected = long thin needle shaped .
The results sugest that more patience must be practiced . Everything must be done in less time to be optimal . That more care must be used when adding acids and bases to the steps where they were added and that a PH-meter is needed for more acuracy with PHs . The amount of crystals sugests that something/s drasticly wrong was done .
So questions . What do you think ? What went / was done wrong ? Have you any sugestions / critic / helpfull tips ? Can those crystals be cleaned to retrieve the cacti alkaloids ? Should the crystals be dumped ? Could they contain any dangerous chemicals resulting from the purity of the solvent , the added amounts of acid and alkali , the acidic mixture being put overnight in the stainless steal sauce pan , the aluminium chunks in the KOH a few of wich got into the last acidic part in the saucepan ? What are the optimal times for each step to take and their optimal PHs ? These things were saught after with TFSE and confusion was the result .
The crystals from the first and second freeze and filter are MUCH more than from the third and fourth combined .
The fotos show ---->
1 - The original mixture after adding the KOH and the solvent .
2 - The solvent and the mixture after separation .
3 - The solvent after adding the acid and the distilled water .
4 - The Distilled water and alkaloids before freezeing .
5 - The mixture after it had been frozen the first time .
6 - Crystals stuck to the bottom of the drying pot after the bulk had been removed after the filter from the first freeze . These crystals dont look like the bulk wich is still drying .
7 - The crystals stuck to the bottom of the pan after the bulk had been removed after the second freeze and filter . These crystals dont look like the bulk wich is still drying .
8 - The crystals from the filter after the third freeze .
9 - The crystals from the filter after the fourth freeze .
One wanted to post this in the vacuous posts section but not possible so no major shit throwing please ..... a little shit and moaning is OK . One tried and one is trying to learn one doesnt need roasting alive . .
First the results of a cacti extractiopn from about 6 meters of about 12 cm wide E:Pachanoi and E.Peruvianus that was about 1.2 to 1.75 liters was mixed with tap water in a 15 liter carboy to make about 6 liters of water extract mix .
Everything was done in a bath just in case .
The carboy was put in a bath and cold water was let into the bath to just before the carboy would float to keep the heat down when adding the KOH .Then a drain cleaner that contains KOH and aluminium nuggets was added . When the litmus paper showed PH 10 more was added to try to get the PH up to about 13 . Looking in the internet had said that when the PH reaches about 13 the litmus paper would turn black . It didnt .
After it had cooled 1 liter of the solvent was added and swirled every few minutes and then left to stand overnight .
The next day the mixture was put in a sepp funnel and alowed to separate . The separation was very good . Then the water / alkaloid part was drained off and a mixture of about 3 parts tap water and one part 38 % sulphuric acid was added squirtwise . When the water / acid part turned a little beige no more was addeed . The mixture was swirled often and after a few hours about 250 mls of distilled water was added and the mixture swirled again and then left to separate . When it did it was saved to a 5 liter carboy .
This was all repeated several times untill there was about two liters in the 5 liter carboy the mixture was about PH 2 so KOH was added to make it PH 6 - 7 . . .
Then the combined mixture was filtered and put in a 10 liter stainless steel saucepan and left overnight so that the rest benzin could evaporate and then heated untill it started steaming to try to get any rest solvent off . .
This mixture was put in a freezer over night and on the next day taken out and filtered . The resulting crystals were left to dry overnight just by the dryness of the air in the room .
This was done 4 times .
The amount of crystals that came out was very supriseing and they constituted about 1/3 of the volume of the solution . The first two batches were to wet to be weighed .
Someone with a chemistry knowledge was asked about the volume of crystals and what they could be . He said salt as that can be a result of adding to much acid and then haveing to add a lot of alkali to make the mixture neutral . The person was asked and said that the crystals should be OK to taste . The first bach was tasted and tasted like very weak table salt with a little bitterness . The second batch of crystals was tasted and it tasted different like even further weakened salt + a slight solvent taste + a smaller tinge of bitterness than in the first batch . The next two batches were not tasted .
Each batch of crystals got smaller and the crystalls looked different . When the first two batches of crystals were removed from the stainless stell drying pans they left crystals some of witch looked to an unexperienced eye like the crystals that had been expected = long thin needle shaped .
The results sugest that more patience must be practiced . Everything must be done in less time to be optimal . That more care must be used when adding acids and bases to the steps where they were added and that a PH-meter is needed for more acuracy with PHs . The amount of crystals sugests that something/s drasticly wrong was done .
So questions . What do you think ? What went / was done wrong ? Have you any sugestions / critic / helpfull tips ? Can those crystals be cleaned to retrieve the cacti alkaloids ? Should the crystals be dumped ? Could they contain any dangerous chemicals resulting from the purity of the solvent , the added amounts of acid and alkali , the acidic mixture being put overnight in the stainless steal sauce pan , the aluminium chunks in the KOH a few of wich got into the last acidic part in the saucepan ? What are the optimal times for each step to take and their optimal PHs ? These things were saught after with TFSE and confusion was the result .
The crystals from the first and second freeze and filter are MUCH more than from the third and fourth combined .
The fotos show ---->
1 - The original mixture after adding the KOH and the solvent .
2 - The solvent and the mixture after separation .
3 - The solvent after adding the acid and the distilled water .
4 - The Distilled water and alkaloids before freezeing .
5 - The mixture after it had been frozen the first time .
6 - Crystals stuck to the bottom of the drying pot after the bulk had been removed after the filter from the first freeze . These crystals dont look like the bulk wich is still drying .
7 - The crystals stuck to the bottom of the pan after the bulk had been removed after the second freeze and filter . These crystals dont look like the bulk wich is still drying .
8 - The crystals from the filter after the third freeze .
9 - The crystals from the filter after the fourth freeze .
One wanted to post this in the vacuous posts section but not possible so no major shit throwing please ..... a little shit and moaning is OK . One tried and one is trying to learn one doesnt need roasting alive . .
