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Glutamine, Piracetam, and Caffeine.
« on: January 17, 2009, 04:31:38 AM »
Age: 17
Weight: 128lbs (58kg)
Dosage of Piracetam: ~1.5 grams
Dosage of Glutamine: ~4.5 grams
Dosage of Caffiene: ~55 milligrams
Desired effects: Improved cognition, enhanced memory, and other analogous effects.


     Background:
First off, I have taken Glutamine, Caffeine, and Piracetam many times before. However this was my first time I had all three at once, and so I decided to combine them hoping  they may act synergistic with one another. I often have caffeine so I likely have a high tolerance for it and I  don't believe the caffeine played a significant roll in my experience.
     After getting little sleep on the night leading up to the morning I went back to school, I ate my typical breakfast; a cheese omelet with salsa, and a multivitamin. The breakfast was followed by a solution I had made by dissolving one teaspoon (~4.5 grams) of glutamine, and 1/2 teaspoon (1-2 grams) of piracetam in one can (12oz) of diet Mountain Dew ( ~55 milligrams of caffeine) and drank it. It was surprisingly way less bitter then I had imagined it to be when I drank it at approximately 7:15 A.M.
    I started to become aware of the subtle effects around 8:30 A.M. I think it is very difficult to convey the effects I experienced properly but I had the feeling that I experience when I get the opportunity to explain something that interests me, or when I know the answer to a question teachers don't expect you to know; an excited, interested feeling.
     The rest of the day I didn't feel as tired as I do normally on school days, I was more alert, and felt as though I had more motivation. The increased motivation could have simply been because the subjects were, or at least seemed to be, more interesting. I also had a very slight headache, which I most likely would not have noticed it had I not been slightly worried about getting a headache as that can be one of the side effects of piracetam.  I also for a few minutes had a tone ringing in my right ear, but it went away and never came back.  Once school was over, the effects were completely gone, and likely had been for some time.
      I think some of the effects I felt could have been caused by the placebo effect. However, for the last week I have been using this combination daily and I think it has improved the quality of life slightly.  I feel less stressed and worn out. One problem is I seem to constantly be thinking about various things and analyzing them to annoying extents.

Notes:

The synergy I thought piracetam, and glutamine may have is based on the fact that piracetam may have a positive effect on the NMDA glutamate receptors which are activated by glutamate. The glutamate receptors play a roll in the learning and memory processes. Glutamine is a precursor to glutamate. 

Eggs are a good source for choline, which is a precursor to acetylcholine. It also contains various other amino acids that can be used for the synthesis of different neurotransmitters. The multivitamin has  B vitamins found in it. I have heard that B vitamins play an essential roll for synthesis of some neurotransmitters, and can help regulate mood.  So my breakfast may have played a roll.

Here are some quotes that made me think these chemicals might be a good combination to take.

“Glutamine has also been taken to enhance brain function as it fuels two of the brain's most important neurotransmitters: glutamic acid and gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA). It also assists in nitrogen transportation and reduces toxic build up of ammonia in the brain (though is contra-indicated for those with Reye's Syndrome). Hence, it has been used to aid memory, increase IQ in those with mental retardation, and to support people with schizophrenia and senility.[6]”  - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine

“Glutamine is an alternative source of fuel for the brain and helps to block cortisol-induced protein catabolism.” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine

“Piracetam appears to increase communication between the two hemispheres of the brain, and increases activity of the corpus callosum.” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam

Piracetam appears to reverse the effects of aging in the brains of mice.
Piracetam appears to reduce levels of lipofuscin in the rat brain.(Lipofuscin accumulation is a common symptom of aging and alcoholism). - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam

Also I found some interesting studies, and experience reports on the forums of http://brainmeta.com/ and http://www.imminst.org/

Please feel free to discuss these chemicals, mention your experiences with them, or ask me to specify certain things!

By the way, I like the forum! :)
« Last Edit: January 26, 2009, 04:37:39 AM by Vesp »

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Re: Glutamine, Piracetam, and Caffeine.
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009, 08:52:17 AM »
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Anyways back to the topic.. I am also a fan of piracetam but I never thought of the idea of using glutamine with it. I have read that the slight headaches from piracetam can be offset by taking choline. Perhaps If you took piracetam, glutamine and choline together that would really do something amazing.

I have noticed when I take a high dose of piracetam I tend to clench my jaw a little bit, but I haven't noticed it for a while.
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Re: Glutamine, Piracetam, and Caffeine.
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2009, 09:12:26 PM »
PM sent for the seeds! Thanks for the great offer, hopefully I'll be able to contribute more to this forum.

The choline, glutamine, and piracetam combination sounds like a good idea for a stack of cognitive enhancers.

If you haven't seen it already, this wikipedia page has a pretty large list of things thought to be nootropics. I highly doubt all of them are though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropics




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Re: Glutamine, Piracetam, and Caffeine.
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 06:15:27 PM »
I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I have noticed after taking Piracetam I usually prefer to listen to complicated music. I think my brain just assimilates it better. Maybe it is just me. ;D

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Re: Glutamine, Piracetam, and Caffeine.
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 06:39:22 PM »
Yeah I don't know I take piracetam but I honestly don't think it does anything at all other then make me feel "slightly different, maybe"

I have read though that it is good for you so I still take it. Ha this is a pretty old topic forgot all about it :)
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Re: Glutamine, Piracetam, and Caffeine.
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2009, 07:59:17 PM »
All the threads are new to me due to just joining the forum.   :D As for piracetam "doing anything to me" I don't think piracetam does anything like that. I feels it enhances your ability to concentrate and understand. A different type of effect than most who come to this website are looking for. ;D
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Re: Glutamine, Piracetam, and Caffeine.
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2009, 08:07:02 PM »
Yeah, its a nootropic aka a smart drug, but I honestly don't notice much of a difference.. not deeper thoughts, or anything like that, but I do feel slightly different.. I just can't explain it. Either way I take it daily since all the articles on it claim it is good for you and helps prevent some aspects of aging, etc.

I like to take it right before I go to sleep, it seems like I get a better sleep even though it is supposed to cause insomnia.
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