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Ah, what the hell
« on: June 08, 2011, 12:32:53 AM »
I've only been registered a few weeks but I love to lurk here, so I figured I'd say hey and all that noise.

I have been fascinated with chemistry my whole life. At 37 years old this is the oldest I've ever been, so far. I wish I would have pursued chemistry when I was younger, but I didn't. I used to spend hours at the library browsing the hive back in it's hey day, but never posted since I never had anything even remotely useful to add. I had a bad motorcycle accident back in october that almost killed me. I spent a month in ICU and another couple weeks in rehab and now I have this spiffy stainless steel back that is just bad ass. Anyway, that accident changed me in more ways than one. While still in the hospital, the last week in rehab, I went to a college book store across the street (had to seriously pitch a fit with my doctors to let me do it, but they relented because it was so close) and bought a book on basic chemistry (Barron's EZ Chemistry) and made up my mind that I was gonna atleast try to learn this shit.

Everyday during my physical therapy if I had a free hand I was watching videos on my phone from khan academy and reading my book at night. It sucks to say, but none of it stuck. To give an example; the metric system is just awesome the way it all fits together, should be simple, right? Take for example the fact that 1ml of water weighs 1gm. That means if something has a density of 1.5, then it's gonna weigh 1.5 times more, per ml, than water. Even this didn't stay in my memory. The reason, of course, is because it's all abstract until you actually use the shit. The reason I remember it know is because I asked someone how much 100ml of a particular chemical would weigh and they lol'ed at me and reminded me of what I should have already known. Now, that shit is in there and I won't forget.

I can't really experiment where I am now, since I live with other people and they are NOT cool with clandestine chemistry and too nosey for me to be comfortable doing much of anything. For the last couple months I have been putting together glassware and I'm almost to the point that I can really start to learn. and do some stuff, I just gotta move. All I really NEED at this point to have a really comprehensive setup is a vacuum, hopefully I'll have that soon. Right now the plan is to move out next month, then be a full on mad scientist. Well, maybe not mad, slightly disgruntled.

I look forward to re-reading a lot of these threads and trying to make them a reality, learning the whole time. I think I will buy me a bottle of champagne for the night when I can ask a question that has hard to pronounce words in it and maybe even a few numbers, or maybe even a Meo. Gives me something to look forward to, in addition to the homemade goodies.

Sorry if you DIDN'T ask for my life story. Peace!
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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2011, 01:59:46 AM »
I enjoyed reading your story! Welcome to the forum and good luck with your endeavour :)

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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2011, 02:08:14 AM »
Hey, you don't get the award for oldest person to try to learn chemistry - I'm already nominated for that one.  I didn't start til I was 49.  And I'm with you, I have to do stuff to understand it.  And even so I relearn and relearn and forget. 

I started out interested in nutrition, from there I got into herbal medicine and started making my own extracts.  Lately I've done a few experiments with microwave chemistry and a few simple reactions which I never dreamed I'd be doing when I started.

I'm lucky because my present husband has been a hobby chemist since he was 9.  So I had a guiding hand.  (he says his job is just to keep me alive) 

There's some books out there that are more interesting than barrons chemistry.  Look for Organic Chemistry as a 2nd language.  I also like the Organic Chemistry for Dummies book simply because it condenses stuff a bit.

So in welcoming you I wind up telling my story so now you don't feel all alone.

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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2011, 05:15:14 AM »
hey welcome to the vespiary!

well for a first post, you have just made public, your living arrangement, your age, info on the accident ect, in the same post you make clear and public your plans of becoming a mad scientist in clandestine chemistry ect ect

the rule to keep posts timeless and impersonal is only to help ourselves. If you are going to give up personal info, dont post details and your plans to commit a crime that will land you in jail for a few years. at least not all in the same post! spread them out through many  like me lol jkn

if i was a cop, thinking hey ill see whos posting on this drugs forum, then i realize a few things like what country you are in or city,then piece together all the details and bust you before you start.. then i get a promotion for my great solo police work!

be carefull man its not all fun and games anymore, people go missing!

A wise man once said to me,  "shake, shut the fuck up and research" - Sedit haha ;)


welcome mate, keep on truckin!


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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 12:21:59 PM »
Yeah, my bad. Thanks for the advice. I will sink into obscurity now lol. It's funny, shake, I know you from here and that other forum. I know the country you live in, I know Jon is your brother and I know what you kind of stuff you're good at making. So, I can definitely see what you mean. Even with the scarce info some of us post you can still piece together alot about a person. What I've said thus far will be the most detailed info about me you read. I figured what the hell, for my intro I'll clue you in on some details that I feel may tell you why I am motivated to get involved in chemistry or other things.

All in all, good advice and I appreciate it. Thanks to all of you for the warm welcome. I look forward to being around and fill my mind with knowledge.
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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 02:03:11 PM »
haha there you go.. i guess you proved my point!

Jon isnt my brother, but i love tha guy.. i and some others see myself in him.. whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen  :-\

yeah man, for our own sake, and the sake of keeping attention off us all, best to keep it DL and to the point.. as for the research and learning, in reality most things i have learned have come from research on my own.. posting here filled in the loneliness which results from doing "school" work with no school friends and no teacher!

May i ask which compounds are of interest?


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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2011, 02:19:23 PM »
LMAO Rumors in the making, Such a simple comment I made not long ago already takes on a life of its own ;D
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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 05:16:33 PM »
I'm interested in all the compounds in amphetamine class, save methamphetamine. I'm all for personal choice and don't judge anyone who enjoys dong meth, but for me I have no interest in being up 7 days. But, the amphetamines as a whole are very nice compounds. I do enjoy a nice roll from time to time. I'm also interested in opoids since I will always be dependant on them to live a normal pain free life. Mostly, I see me playing with the obscure little know stuff.  I plan to start with some of the more popular and well known amphetamines, like mdma simply because the path is well beaten and help should be easy to find with the tons of documentation online. Chemistry as a whole fascinates me, not just drug chemistry.
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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 05:40:37 PM »
Salat, you're lucky to have a captive tutor lol
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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 10:58:47 PM »
Btw, salat, thanks for the book recommendation (Organic chem as second language). I looked it up and will be ordering it in a couple weeks. I just ordered Zubrick's lab survival manual, some nice quadruple beam scales and filtering apparatus, so I'm busted for another week or so.

I will be getting that, though.
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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2011, 08:23:35 AM »
High .......please make sure youn read up here about how and how not to get the things you want to have as orderingthings and the delivery can be noticed and like you found out shake is jons son people put two and tow together and get five = its obvious what your up to .

Why will you have to take pain killers and what is your medical condition and prognosis ........doctors are not gods and the body can do things that can be very supriseing = never acept a disability or pain and always try to use your mind , will power and bodily defenses to fight it ...... a little improvement now and then eventualy = a big improvement . Dont acept physical or mental problems = give youre mind a reason to justify them = youll never solve them .

All the docs told me i was going to die and that there was no chance that i would survive , then when i did they told me i would be in a wheel chair the rest of my life , then when i could walk with crutches they said i would need them all my life , then when i was walking with a wlking stick they said the same ........ they were all wrong and now i am proud to be able to walk like a drunken crab and dont give a fuck that many people laugh out loud when they see me walking .

Take care and i hope you get well soon .

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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2011, 10:44:41 AM »
"people put two and tow together and get five = its obvious what your up to "

   Aint that the Truth!!

  anyway matey,,be,safe, cool, and enjoty the forum,,all of us had to start 'somewhere'
  Show some initiative, dont brag and you'll fit in fine
   welcome if you're 'real'  Hyppy

 And the human body IS amazing at self repair,,
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2011, 10:55:57 AM »
Lmao, drunken crab, that's funny. Having two strips of metal hold my spine together just hurts, not sure how that can change.

It's a shame that someone who plans to make very small amounts of chemicals to put in their own body has to go to such extremes of paranoia. God bless America, huh.

hypnos: I hardly have anything to brag about lol. I wish I had something to brag about. I'm not much of a bragger anyway, just an insatiably curious person with a taste for chemicals and I don't care to buy them on the street simply because it's NEVER what's its said to be and even when it is is been literally stomped on until it's trash. I make a decent living already and love what I do. This journey is for a love of science and the satisfaction that only comes from getting bent from something you make yourself. I've been making legal drugs (beer) for many many many years and it's something I love as well.
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2011, 11:19:37 AM »
I downloaded the books, but I like paper books as well and have a fair collection.

Zubricks was a bible my first year of working with glassware and basic practical lab stuff. The 2nd language books were the most readable I'd seen.  My husband tried to get me to read Vogels cause that's what he likes and it was just too sparse.  I can understand it a bit better now.

I got a microscale book that is kinda nice off ebay for cheap.   Also the Chemical Technicians Ready Reference Handbook is full of practical information - only one I've seen that covers plumbing - you will be doing LOTS of plumbing.

For the practical end of things try searching for "Laboratory Technique". 

Keep an eye out for a Merck's (the chemistry one - not the pharmaceutical one), I got lucky and found one at a thrift store for a dollar.  If you had a desert island collection that would be the #1 - It's used almost every time we go do something in the lab.

As for paranoia, yeah you do have to be very careful - you spend time talking to co-freaks like us and it becomes your norm.  Meanwhile in society - even though all I was doing was making legal herbal extracts, the first reaction I got when mentioning chemistry was "Oh you're making a meth lab", even from my kids (grown up).

Salat (biblophile!)

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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2011, 11:50:15 AM »
I have a merck already (lucky me!). It was impressed upon me sometime back that I needed that book as much as any other piece of equipment. Got the previous edition for a little over $10 shipped. Got it from a library, don't think it had ever even been opened lol.
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Re: Ah, what the hell
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2011, 03:35:41 PM »
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hypnos: I hardly have anything to brag about lol. I wish I had something to brag about. I'm not much of a bragger anyway, just an insatiably curious person with a taste for chemicals and I don't care to buy them on the street simply because it's NEVER what's its said to be and even when it is is been literally stomped on until it's trash.

  Sorry bro, I never meant to 'Flame you',,I was probably a bit 'down' at the time, due to similar pain related shit, as I think you now know more about!!

  Good luck with 'the' ( writing in the "third person" is appreciated here re; anononymity ;) ) experimenting, its fun, and it helps fill in those "what to Do?" boring times,in more ways than one! ;D

 Go S'hard amigo 8)

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2011, 03:10:40 AM »
to be honest actually commiting a crime is a long way off and with the limiting of precursors to the point of U need to know some chemistry.  So between this site and one other forum (madness) learning chemistry is more my goal than making illegal substances.