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Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« on: July 05, 2011, 05:46:17 AM »
Since I don't get to go to school like some of you and often times the stuff I read is never said on the videos I watch I have no idea if I'm saying these things right in my head. I have these all the time, but just to get started, here are a couple of the one's on my mind right now;

Alkaline- I have always said alka-line, like a straight line or whatever. But what occurred to me is that in words like alkyne, it is pronounced kine. Also I heard someone say it weird on a video once and was just wondering if I had that right. I know, lame.

Liebig- I heard this guys name said once and I was like whaaa?

Believe me, I got more, that's just the ones right now that I've came across in the last hour that I wondered about. I have been wanting to start a pronunciation thread for a while. With all the tiny, yet hugely impacting variations these chemical names can have I think it's an important topic for us that don't get to discuss it with real words with real people in the real world.
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 08:57:26 AM »
You can keep asking to bee spoon fed, but what you need to do is download a chemical dictionary with pronunciations:

h**p://ifile.it/71f4rl/ebooksclub.org__Dictionary_of_Chemistry.l_44x31847zx3tx82.pdf

which could be uploaded here but doing that might get the web site taken offline  8)

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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 01:46:09 PM »
Yep, that's me, always beggin' for a spoon feedin'
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 02:32:07 PM »
Yep, that's me, always beggin' for a spoon feedin'

Newbees that are spoon fed take far longer to get their wings   ;)  Often they end up never getting them 8)
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 02:42:37 PM »
Okay, since you asked. I know I can find the pronunciations in many different places. I just thought it might contribute over all to us newbies to have a thread that made some effort to draw attention to the issue of pronunciation since the smallest of changes in how you say a word can have a very big impact on what it means. It's almost like trying say good morning in cambodian and you end up asking the person if you can give their daughter the shocker instead because you said it wrong.  Believe me, I hit the books hard as a mutherfucker, as hard as I possibly can. I take in atleast one full lesson a day from somewhere, albeit with no proper structure or order, I still read AND watch a lecture everyday. I bet I haven't read a synth in a month beyond skimming. I read to learn chemistry, not a recipe.

I understand the unwillingness to encourage people to be even more lazy than they already are, but I would hardly call a pronunciation thread spoon feeding. Maybe I'm wrong, I dunno.
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2011, 07:44:04 PM »
In all fairness it is in The Den of Iniquity too...
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2011, 11:05:53 PM »
Vesp, are you siding with me, or him?
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 03:16:27 AM »
Psilocybin

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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 07:27:47 AM »
That's an interesting one, because psilocybin, the chemical, is pronounced entirely differently from Psilocybe, the mushroom genus.

I'm not going to even try to use phonetic symbols, but psilocybin has the both the long "o" and long "i" sound.  Sill-Oh-Sigh-Bin.  I guess "Psilocybe" has the weird Latin i, o and e, more like Sill-Aw-Seh-Bay.

This could be fun.

It's a long "e" sound in Liebig, Lee-big.

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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 11:05:39 AM »
Vesp, are you siding with me, or him?
I'm not siding with anyone, as it isn't a battle... He was simply making a point that there are other ways to go about finding the pronunciation of words besides a thread, and that its good to at least develop the ability to find it yourself.


I just think having you posted it here justifies it, as its description is "Discuss any topic. The Den of Iniquity is lightly moderated." I see this topic as being more of a friendly-conversational one, that can boost some of the more difficult to pronounce words to the front of our minds, or to teach/inform those who do not care...

I didn't know Psilocybe and Psilocybin were pronounced so differently. I didn't care either, as I do not pronounce them, but only type them.... but I guess its good that I know now, even though that is probably a cultural thing and either would work eh?



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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 11:09:49 AM »
I know it isn't a battle, my sill-aw-seh-bay eating friend, I just wasn't quite sure what you meant.
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 08:54:11 PM »
I think the pronunciation of Psilocybe in a cultural thing.  At the mycology conference where I first heard it, the hippies were pronouncing it like psilocybin, the professional mycologists were using the Latin pronunciation.

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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 06:39:32 PM »
Just noticed something odd....hawkwind appears to have only one post, but there are several by him/her in this thread...

I always pronounced both the genus and alkaloid as 'psy' (as in 'psionic') 'loh' 'sigh-b'

Knew someone else from round here that pronouces it as 'psi-losseyebin' with the emphasis on the 'O'
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 08:16:19 PM »
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Also, I made it so the posts made in The Den of Iniquity doesn't count your posts -- this is due to boards no topic/off-topic and lightly moderated content. -Vesp
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2011, 03:44:03 AM »
I know you say amine like ah-mean, but how about amide? Is it long A-mide or short like ah-mide?
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2011, 05:51:33 AM »
Praise da lawwdah....can i get an amine
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2011, 06:19:30 AM »
Many of the definitions have a little speaker next to them that will play someone saying the word for you.

http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/glossary.shtml
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2011, 09:28:27 AM »
 "I guess "Psilocybe" has the weird Latin i, o and e, more like Sill-Aw-Seh-Bay."

 Matey ALL latin is Pronounced as it is spelled...go and ask an Italian to "spell" an "Italian word" to you!! they 'pronounce it as it is written'..it just depends on the "alphabet sounds" you were taught i.e.  The "difference" in how Australians are taught in school to pronounce "Vowel" sounds, is Extremely different to how a New Zealand schoolkid is taught theirs...which is based on Maori phonemes

  Its All about Where you come from and the Accent you use/have....Tomaytoe----Tomartoe? (and they're "Actually spelt Tomato"......Meh!

 Its the Variations in the Chemical's name, themselves, that get me, i.e GAA=Ethanoic Acid etc etc...Hmmm?
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Re: Can we have a pronunciation thread?
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2011, 01:51:08 PM »
Whoah, beautiful link, Sedit. Where the fuck you been hiding that god amide!!?
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