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Re: 800 tons of meth chemicals seized in mexico
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2011, 09:19:46 AM »
Doesn't that produce a lot of dibenzylketone that isn't easily removed with a single simple distillation?  Or am I thinking of another reaction like decarboxylative arylation?

Use a really, really big vacuum jacketed and silvered fractionating column?  Maybe steam distill, the partial pressure of p2p might be a lot higher than dbk at boiling water temp?

I tended to save station's posts even before they made it to the chief's archive.  Found some cool references and had a unique style.  Other's here I also miss.

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   station      posted 08-12-99 04:51 PM
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This manuscript is being offered for its informational and educational value only, and it is intended and expected that the information will be used solely by legitimate researchers and forensic chemists investigating these compounds. No synthesis of these substances, the manufacture of which is illegal without governmental license, should be undertaken without approval from the appropriate governmental authorities. The authors do not want to assist, counsel, urge, otherwise encourage or cause a criminal act, particularly in view of the fact that manufacture of amphetamine(s) and methamphetamine(s) is punishable by sentences up to life in prison.

RESOLUTION OF AMPHETAMINE AND METHAMPHETAMINE

The dextro isomer of amphetamine and methamphetamine is the d, (+), D or S isomer; the levo isomer is the l, (-), L or R isomer. The racemic mixtures may be referred to as d,l or (+,-) or DL or (R)(S).
Classical resolution techniques are often tedious and usually afford poor yields. The best published procedure seems to be that of Rusznak et al. below which utilizes a selective extraction rather than the usual crystallization.

Selective Extraction of d-Methamphetamine with d-Tartaric Acid:

Rusznak et al., Resolution of Phenylisopropylamines, Hung. Teljes, 12,208 (Cl. C07B), 28 Sep. 1976, Appl. 1,516, 08 Nov. 1974; C.A. 85: 192337q, p. 518 (1976).
Phenylisopropylamines and phenylisopropylmethylamines and various substituted amines were resolved with 0.5 mole tartaric acid in benzene- water containing 0.5 mole sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide by selective extraction of either enantiomer.
A mixture of 0.1 mole (13.52 g.) phenylisopropylamine (or 14.92 g. methamphetamine base) in 60 ml benzene, 0.05 mole d-tartaric acid (7.50 g.) in 30 ml water, and 2 g sodium hydroxide (reagent grade or titrated equivalent) in 3 ml water was kept 4 hours with intermittent shaking, and the organic phase evaporated to give 98% L-phenylisopropylamine. The aqueous phase was extracted with benzene at pH 13 and evaporated to give 96% D-enantiomer.

Selective Crystallization of Methamphetamine with d-Tartaric Acid:

Rusznak et al., Resolution of 1-Phenylisopropyl methyl amine, Hung. Teljes, 12,210 (Cl. C07B), 28 Sep. 1976, Appl. 1,520, 04 Dec. 1974; C.A. 85: 192335n, p. 518 (1976).
Phenylisopropylmethylamine was resolved by treatment with 0.4-6 moles of dextro tartaric acid in water or aqueous ethanol containing 0.4-6 moles hydrogen chloride. A mixture of phenylisopropylmethylamine 150, d-tartaric acid 82.5, and H2O 330 g was treated with HCl to pH 4 to deposit 120 g L- phenylisopropylmethylamine-d-tartrate salt, which gave 88 g L- phenylisopropylmethylamine. The D-enantiomer (58 g as the HCl salt) was isolated from the filtrate.

   Osmium       posted 08-13-99 05:05 AM
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I like that extraction. Didn't know it was that easy!

   cicada       posted 08-13-99 06:13 AM
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Interesting. What's the mechanism here? The solution is roughly neutral (.5 moles each of the acid and base. But (I'm guessing here) the d-amine preferentially combines with the d-acid and thus stays in solution leaving the remaining l-amine to seperate. Is that your take?

What a handy tool.

   LaBTop       posted 08-14-99 03:26 PM
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Thank god, at last a good reference researcher AND one who posts the contents, readable, instead of just the ref !!!!
My eternal thanks for doing this.
You are now on my Christmas list, and I believe now that it's you! who composed the refs in the 2 other posts on reductive amination/alkylation. HAT OFF !  LT/

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Re: 800 tons of meth chemicals seized in mexico
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2011, 09:44:20 AM »
And just where do you get a reaction vessel to hold hundreds of tons of phenylacetic plus the other required reactants?

Since my country's prohibition laws are turning Mexico into a narcostate, maybe we should offer our suggestions.

Too bad those guys play deadly rough and there's no US constitution down there.  Otherwise, it might be an enjoyable employment opportunity for the pre-ephedrine old timers.

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Re: 800 tons of meth chemicals seized in mexico
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2011, 06:14:16 PM »
yeah they are'nt nice at all, they're fucking uncivilized barbarians no use trying to reason with 'em
plus they don't like gringos down there.

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Doesn't that produce a lot of dibenzylketone that isn't easily removed with a single simple distillation?  Or am I thinking of another reaction like decarboxylative arylation?

i think the dakin west rxn does produce that but if you use an excess of acetic anhydride it should'nt be a big problem...
decarbox arylation would give bis-phenyls last time i checked so that's spot on.
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