Vesp said:

I bet 2C-X would be even more entertaining   

Is that the general consensus?  I had some friends, old time heavy trippers, who tried out 35 mg of made by a chemist 2-CB.  The universal feeling was that it just didn't have the fire or the spiritual qualities of shrooms.

Of course, 2-CE might be a different deal.

but shrooms are much more useable as they dont last as long...aint that the truth--2 cb might be "strong/potennt" eg doses of <10mg are noticeable,,not a big fan,,
    BUT mushies have a much easier trip, and when they stop, they STAY stopped! as opposed to acid

 did 2 technicolor yawns last trip! suddenly felt sick about the 2hr mark,,barfed and felt Much better  Trippin Balls!

mushies are a great intro hallucinogen,,  but the First time I had them, I ate them raw,,but, after that, if I put one in my mouth I would instantly start to dry retch--still do

I used to just powder the fungus and mix with molten chocolate then pour into molds. Of course I have pictures of this entire process

Many people have stomach problems ingesting mushrooms . Its said by some to be because of some proteins and by others to be because of the fiber parts .  Whatever the less bulk in a dose of a drug the faster it comes on and the stronger it is .

If you havent tried it 10 grams of good P:Sremilanceata powdered and stired into 70 " C water and then left to cool and filtered works like magic . One comes up in 10 to 20 minutes and the trip is not physical but feels like a good clean dose of acid .

10 grams of semi's sounds like a good time.  Was it Terrance McKenna that said when in doubt eat five grams of cubensis?  Or when in doubt double the dose.

Had a friend on the coast that liked to pick about a quarter pound fresh, then start eating those and eating any new ones found raw.  Reportedly a very good time.

My friends would agree that a big dose of very pure acid will take you places you can't reach on shrooms even if you do double the dose.

Some also get side flickers on phenethylamines.

I heard that P. azurescens has caused several hours of muscular paralysis when eaten raw in two cases, should always be made into tea.  I would discount the report since I haven't heard of any others, but it did come from Paul Stamets and he is the man when it comes to shrooms.  Pretty funny, one was a celebrity friend he had warned in advance.  After the entire party was paralyzed, they remembered his warning and didn't have much fun until the paralysis wore off.

"I heard that P. azurescens has caused several hours of muscular paralysis when eaten raw in two cases, should always be made into tea."

this is new to me never had a problem with this.

yep poisoning is what the goverment has thought for a long time.

hence why if you get caught with them here you just eat as many as you can and your supposed
to be prosecuted for insanity rather than use of a drug.

after all eating poison is insane is it not ?

but ive never found them to be poisonous just very trippy or not trippy at all.

still on second thoughts going into the cop shop tripping balls is not fun at all

hence why if you get caught with them here you just eat as many as you can and your supposed
to be prosecuted for insanity rather than use of a drug

  Lol...Yeah, classic!!! I suppose its not too hard, to behave in a "Credibly Insane Fashion",, when ya 'trippin balls!!!'

     Also,  "IF", One perhaps, chooses the "Advice" here.....

mckenna said "If in doubt double the dose" and i totaly agree . Its my signature on other forums .

   Like er,,take lets say, 3.5gms of dried mushies 10 mins After you've eaten A Whole Lot Of Food--( intentionally or otherwise )--the food, and or, the mushies!...
 
       So, you eat ALL this food,,then Munch a bunch of Mushies,,,And 30 mins later, you're ONLY Getting "a mild Buzz"......so IF you "choose to Do a Mc kenna, AND,,lets say, Take ANOTHER 3.5gms of the same "dried powdered" mushrooms............Hmmmm? MY "Guess" is you're gonna be in for one Most Interesting next 5-7hours, probably Trippin Balls! with a few "technicolor yawns" thrown out, for good measure

      It WILL, most likely, After a gutful of food, 'take Longer to Digest' the Shrooms that you eat,...BUT,, If you DOUBLE what for Half the people I know,Would BE, a reasonably strong,3+ experience for,  "most people",,In particular, some petite grrrls,  or someone who knows they are Highly susceptable to the 'effects of mushies',, Would,,

    IMHO,,Be Foolish,, to "Arbitrarily DOUBLE the Dose",  OF ANY DRUG  "THEY" are Not Personally Intimately Aware of "what to Expect"---
      Which, depending on the Drug, and 'the Dose' COULD BE ALMOST ANYTHING from,,   Having a Great Night,, to, having A Dead Body to Deal with!!! 
 
  No shit, but someone I know had a "Bit of Trouble", trying to explain the Death of a 'stranger' (in effect, it was a "friend of a friend") on his couch one night!!, 
       Due to an overdose, of one drug or another--in this case I think it was the ole "opioids and benzos combo special", this dudue had had!
          My mate (obviously!) HAD NO IDEA this was a "possible outcome" of letting a,     "friend of a friend", crash on the couch!!!!
   
        Truth IS FAR stranger than Fiction!!!
 
        AND; the ROA or, "Route of Administration", IS, "VERY IMPORTANT",, when trying to ascertain   
   the "Dose" you are "Effectively Having/giving".....

  The, "Bioavalability" of a compound can be, and Often IS, Very Different DEPENDING ON THE ROA!" -- E.G...Most "fentanyl analogues" have a bioavalability of 99% transdermally--However,,this drops to 33% when taken Orally--that is , 'Eaten', as opposed to "trans mucusolly" =through the Mucous Membranes of the mouth-i.e sucked, but Not swallowed!)

  Or smoke some dope as opposed to eating it,,,Or insufflating MDx instead of eating it...

 The Variation in the, 'Bioavalability', of different Drugs,, Depending upon its ROA'; Has caused Much Distress,,in the various Nations, who 'happily participate, in this "illogical/counterintuitive" WAR on DRUGZ.....thet're confused as fuck!!! And clueless!!

   As their, 'Respective Pharmaceutical Agencies'  attempt to, "Control the Distribution of "Schedule BAD DRUGZ",,, that are "Sometimes Required", however, 'ONLY', when, Due to someone, Usually, having a "Terminal Illness" or some "Condition with Intractable Pain",  A "suitably Qualified Doctor, can, Legally, Almost Miraculously!,,  Make,"ALL these Moral Judgements,,and Legal Transgressions,,DISAPPEAR!!!" !!!

     Read;   If you Are REALLY SICK, these laws dont necesarily have to, "apply to you,

  IF;  an 'Appropriately Qualified' Doctor, "Obtains a Permit" to write you Prescriptions for "Classified Drugs"--
   Which ARE 'Illegal to have', without "A Permit", in my neck of the woods!!!
 This "Overrides the Drug Laws!"!

   IMO this is Crazy!!     
     
         BUT, ya gotta be dying FIRST!!! and the coz ther's No Money in "locking up A DEAD   MAN Walking"....
    THEN,,its cool to, go to your Dealer, er I Meant, Doctor,
   
             And with the, "Blessing of some Almighty "Specialist" Beings 'say so',,IF One has  "'earned their Grace",, Thou shalt Leave their Exalted Presence, Holding a piece of paper,,
   That Effectively says to the PO-leeece IF confronted about the OPIATES in your pocket,,," Go fuck yourself PO-leeceman"---
          THERE'S NOTHING 'YOU' CAN DO~ Coz the "Doctor I see, Has "Legal Permission" to "Authorise Me to Have them",  And THIS,,  "Out Trumps your Law!"
        How fuckin Ridiculous!!! THE ONLY 'REASON' for such "Laws", IS, to "make money"

   No wonder the USA has 25% of ALL the prisoners, in ALL the WORLDS Prisons!

   WHY?  Because;  Most,of the Prisons in the USA  are "Privatised",, which means they are "Run" by Private Corporations using Government Funding,,,usually, by Large, Privately Owned Companies,, such as Wackenhut and Halliburton--to name but a few!

     Sound familiar?--they should,,your last few presidents, and their 'Mates' had(HAVE!) some,High levels of involvement, and "LARGE shares", in these business'......Hmmmmm???
      And as we know, there can be "A pretty penny earned/(mis-appropriated IMO)" from
 "Charging the Govt $500 per day, to "House an inmate",,  and then DOING IT on $5 (Yep...five Dollars in "Average daily overhead costs per prisoner",,and thats being generous!) per day, per inmate---Ok..dont quote my figures, but they're Not that far off, and I'm sure you get the Idea.....

     Also; They Make these Prisoners work, for A buck an hour, or some such shit, building furniture, and other products, the INCREDIBLY CHEAP LABOUR inside the prison sytem, in the United States,, IS "Second to None!",,when it comes to "Making Prison Profitable" the US  "Leads the World" 

  And I for one, find it Very Ominous

    This is NO TYPE OF RE-HABILITATION;  Its using Fear and Intimidation, to 'try and keep the masses In Control'--
        And whilst doing so,,puts lots of Non violent Offenders behind bars, SO THE WORLD is Saved,,
          By Keeping those, "Non Violent Offenders",,,,   Away from a Society, and its Members..........."THEY NEVER HURT!"........Uh....why?
       
          Now,  " How does that work ? " UNLESS,,someone,  Is making MONEY,  "out of it?"

   Peeps "Currently, in this world around us, there are a Group of people,,,who by Brilliant "Long Term" Manipulation, of "Hundreds of Significant and well known Political Events", Manipulated situations around the Planet, during the past 100 or so years, in particular.
 Even Buckminster Fuller called the CIA "Capitalisms Invisible Army!"

   THIS, (nowadays, VERY secular) "Group of People", are "Semi Anonymous", in that, they themselves, are a 'mixed bunch, of Very Wealthy And Influential people,most of whom, Most of us have Never heard Of!
But they are not only ones; Some, "Well Known" by the Average Guy,Politicians, both current and Former, who; Joe Average "thinks "He has a pretty Good Handle, on these Guys,,Particularly His, "Favorite Republican Ex War Hero, Senator, who can Do No Harm"....
  Talks about his Congressman,, as though he's a Favorite Doctor, curing ALL Sorts of the coutries "Trials and suffering" in an "Oh So Altruistic" fashion, that sucks SO MANY People IN,,just like it has been "Designed to!"
  Talk about NAIVE!!!

ANYWAY, i reckon shrooms are just the thing to "open your mind, to the possibilities" of things not yet considered, and as Did Albert Hoffman, all those years ago,,be SO surprised at the events which occurred that fateful afternoon, that HE JUST HAD TO REPEAT IT, FOR SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH PURPOSES ALONE!!!  As did his boss, and a couple of the other scientists where he worked,,"to see for themselves.." Which makes me wonder if Albert ever "tripped again" in his life...Hmmmmm? but an experience which will show you  whatever there may be in store for you,,in this life,, or at least glimpses of possibilities on "other states of mind", either induced naturally, or with the help of some compound

Most people take dangerous underdoses

Lol....Yeah So true....I was amazed to see all these local backpackers buying 00 size capsules of dried mushrooms--I'd Guess each 'cap' held about 0.3gm so maybe 3 to a gm,,and one would NEED at that rate, for a 3,5gm trip (mild-funny laughing-not too visual) they would NEED about 11 or 12 of these $5 caps!!!
   And yet this Irish Dudle,, was Raving about Having 4,, and being Really Out of It

  And, Personally, from an Old Hyppy,, DONT DOUBLE ANYTHING UP!!! Better safe than sorry....worst case scenario,,you have a stroke or some shit,,and end up doing life "Stevey Hawkins Style" with a bit o Chris Reeves on the side!!!

   Take care out there my Fellow Vesps

  Hyppy

jon,

Yeah, I've been there although my most intense telepathic/empathic experience was on LSD.

I can make some women turn around just with the right lustful look at their butt from behind, but I try to avoid that since it's really not ethical, but I am a male. . . .  Play with staring at the back of people's heads in a packed classroom and you might find someone that you can turn around, I did that once, was driving the person crazy but was an introverted geek so I didn't talk to them after class, sigh.

Last time, which was too many years ago, I doubled the 3.5 gram cubensis dose because 5 g wasn't quite enough the previous time.  6 might have been a little more comfortable at peak, but I love them and they love me so all was good.   Mom Nature gave me rainbows.

Agreed, will check out the link.

Chemistry is a pretty soft subject compared to some physics.  Are the electrons in quantum clouds really shared among all the atoms of the universe?  I think it was Feynmann that thought so, but he wasn't sure if it was really an electron traveling forward in time or a positron traveling backwards in time.

Such theories could be relevant to both telepathy and precognition.

When the Goddess tells me not to do something, I try to listen.  When I tell her my plans, she has a good laugh.