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Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« on: July 05, 2009, 04:32:36 PM »


What is this tree. I was found growing on the shore of a pond and the first thing I noticed was the base of it looked exactly like a sassafrass tree but the leaves show that it is not. The leaves smell just like sassafrass leaves but I never got a chance to smell the root. Its still a baby maybe three years old at the most so I did not want to disturb it to much but where theres babys theres big ones. So what the hell is this folks? Camphor (I have never seen camphor) or some subspecies of sassafrass. Thick Shinny leaves and you can see the color change on the back of the leave.

BTW this was growing around a bunch of really little sassafrass sprouts so a sub species seems likely.
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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2009, 04:40:27 PM »
I think camphor it is although I have no good photos of Illiciums species yet to compair but its looking like a good chance I found some camphor trees.  These leaves are more pointed then what I found so Im not 100% on this yet


Sad part is it was found on the shore of a lake so the mama tree could be almost anyware around that area but atlest I know theres something else around.

Camphor wood can be harvested for the safrole correct? As opposed to digging for roots.
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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 02:28:39 PM »
The leaves look pretty different

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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2009, 08:16:00 AM »
Sassafras leaves do not contain safrole, there are only terpenoid compounds. So don't search the candidate only among safrole containings. I'm sure there should be some mature plants of these species, try to walk around the lake, and find same adult plants and see how the fruits look like
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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 03:00:35 AM »
Looks like camphor to me, I can confirm that its for sure not illicium parviflorum, even though the leaves are shaped similar and have the same dark green leathery top, and light green bottom.  Illicium parviflorum doesn't have the veins visible on top. 

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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2010, 06:25:29 PM »
I agree that I think its camphor but I never went back to look for more. Enkidus right that there is differences in the leaves but this could be due to it being young and not fully developed to the pointed leaf form yet.

I dont believe its Illcium Parviflorum either since most pictures I have seen of it appear to be almost bush like where as this was no doubt a tree looking almost exactly like sassafrass in structure just the leaves where of obvious difference.
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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 07:07:27 PM »
hey sedit hows it goen ;P

there is a difference between jap camphor and chinese.

the jap has a higher content of saf than the chinese.

the jap also has a smaller leaf :)

hope thats of help take a look at the lismore camphor sites in scroogle there are some nice pics
in them :)

hope this is of help

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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2010, 04:14:17 AM »
i have a number of illicium parviflorums and that pic is definitely not illicium parviflorum.  illicium parviflorum is typically pretty bushy but it depend, they can grow to be more tree-like and the leaves are more sporadic.  the way the branch goes into the leaves is different and the leaves themselves are definitely different

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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2010, 06:47:43 AM »
been looking for illicium parviflorum for ages in oz ...nowhere to be found ....but it looks alot like caphor up there..

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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2010, 11:16:41 PM »
camphor is even better bcause it's oils are in the tree no t the roots.
in tropical climes the safrole is found in the tree because most of the insects are above ground in subtropical and cooler climes the safrole is in the roots because the insects tend to burrrow.

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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2010, 06:23:23 AM »
that photo in sedits post looks almost identical to a camphor leaf--crunch it up and if its got that strong camphory,eucalyptussy,ti tree oil "type" scent it most likely is--does the tree produce little black berries when it 'flowers?' coz thats the seed
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Re: Identify this Safrole containing plant.
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2010, 03:04:13 AM »
let me clarify my last post,,,the top photo 'IS NOT' camphor,,but the second photo almost certainly is--its the smell that will tell ;D

you will notice there is considerable difference in the shape of the leaves of the two examples--camphor leaves are also quite tough,,like a eucalypt,not soft unless bright green and only a few weeks old,,as soon as they darken they get tough

also,,sfa grows underneath camphors due to them saturating the soils with their oils--only other camphors will--you can smell the camphor in the dirt,,just dig in a few inches ait quite strong-smells a bit like vicks decongestant- 8)
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