6 years for poss. of codeine
« on: November 18, 2011, 06:39:11 AM »
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2011, 08:43:26 AM »
Yep. What stupid times we're living in.
Interesting article.
Interesting article.
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2011, 10:22:40 AM »
Nah c`mon, He was busted once with 200g, gets probation and then stopped with 600g and driving un-licenced?
Despite the drug in question, such stupidity should not go unpunished purely on principle. . I was thinking he got done with a packet or two not over half a killo.
Its Akin to all the drug cooks who get busted and then call for drug reform...Which is akin to the bully who finally cops a slap from some kids big brother and then gos crying to his mother.
Do the crime, bitch ya gotta do the time. If you cant wear that, then stay the fuck out of criminality. No use whinging about it after the fact.
To many soft cocked plastic fantasics these days.
Despite the drug in question, such stupidity should not go unpunished purely on principle. . I was thinking he got done with a packet or two not over half a killo.
Its Akin to all the drug cooks who get busted and then call for drug reform...Which is akin to the bully who finally cops a slap from some kids big brother and then gos crying to his mother.
Do the crime, bitch ya gotta do the time. If you cant wear that, then stay the fuck out of criminality. No use whinging about it after the fact.
To many soft cocked plastic fantasics these days.
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2011, 10:32:40 AM »
Probably 200g including the Tylenol?
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2011, 11:20:11 AM »
First I heard of it is from the article you linked, which said that the charges where originally dropped until the igs could determine the ammount.
Surely this guy could afford the best council and as such the best expert testimony. Doubt the igs would get away with diddling the analysis in such a high profile case. Could quite possibly be wrong as it seems anything is possible in the land of the free.
Surely this guy could afford the best council and as such the best expert testimony. Doubt the igs would get away with diddling the analysis in such a high profile case. Could quite possibly be wrong as it seems anything is possible in the land of the free.
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2011, 11:49:20 AM »
A lot of states have laws that state that a mixture of a controlled substance is to be treated the same as the controlled substance itself - so you'll go to jail for the weight of the paper for LSD, the binder in pills, etc. Anything to get more people in jail.
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2011, 05:06:48 PM »
"such stupidity should not go unpunished purely on principle"
I think i have to agree here, if you cant hack the heat, get out of the kitchen!
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I think i have to agree here, if you cant hack the heat, get out of the kitchen!
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2011, 12:22:16 AM »
The DEA appreciates your support.
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2011, 11:31:24 AM »
Stupid comment. What has the DEA got to do with this?
I find your inference to be quite offensive. You need to grow up!
I find your inference to be quite offensive. You need to grow up!
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2011, 12:07:54 PM »
assyl I meant that if one wishes to play with fire,play, But dont complain if one gets burnt,
this applies to all things not just drugs!
as mentioned, LE have SFA to do with my comment, but hey, your entitled to your opinion!
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this applies to all things not just drugs!
as mentioned, LE have SFA to do with my comment, but hey, your entitled to your opinion!
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2011, 12:40:32 PM »
The Drug War is strengthened by your silence in these circumstances.
All things we do in life carry risks. It does not mean we have to be callous and nasty to those on the wrong side of the coin toss. If your kid gets hit by a bus crossing the street, well, you took a risk by not putting a shock collar around his neck and installing an invisible fence, no sympathy for you! Play with fire and ya might just get burnt...
All things we do in life carry risks. It does not mean we have to be callous and nasty to those on the wrong side of the coin toss. If your kid gets hit by a bus crossing the street, well, you took a risk by not putting a shock collar around his neck and installing an invisible fence, no sympathy for you! Play with fire and ya might just get burnt...
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2011, 11:05:50 PM »
looks like they got him on carrier weight.
what did they estimate the value as?
600 grand?
what did they estimate the value as?
600 grand?
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2011, 01:37:17 AM »
i think if they searched lil waynes briefcase hed get life.. the amount of purple syrrup that kid drinks..
that probably what this dude was sippin on, in a styrofoam cup
that probably what this dude was sippin on, in a styrofoam cup
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2011, 02:41:43 AM »
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The Drug War is strengthened by your silence in these circumstances.. . . . .maybe
but the WOD is only facilitated by careless people aka "idiots"
you can include most LE under that flag!
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2011, 04:36:21 AM »
"The Drug War is strengthened by your silence in these circumstances."
Come now, stop grandstanding and trying to turn this into something it isnt.
This guy is no warrior for the cause. Hes a guy who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Which aspect of this case do you relate to the W.O.D? Should I show outrage at the length of sentence he received?
Perhaps, but Im sure he was well advised by his council on the ramifications of such actions should they occur .
I disagree we having to wear a bike helmut when I ride, but Id get fined if I didnt. Riding around town with hair blowing in the wind isnt going to strike any blow in the war on helmuts, it will simply see me copping a fine. But say some day I pluck up the courage to go cruising without such protection, Id thoroughly enjoy the experience should I not bump into th Po-po, however I wouldnt jump up and down protesting my right to ride free should the cops pull me over and start to issue the fine.
Come now, stop grandstanding and trying to turn this into something it isnt.
This guy is no warrior for the cause. Hes a guy who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Which aspect of this case do you relate to the W.O.D? Should I show outrage at the length of sentence he received?
Perhaps, but Im sure he was well advised by his council on the ramifications of such actions should they occur .
I disagree we having to wear a bike helmut when I ride, but Id get fined if I didnt. Riding around town with hair blowing in the wind isnt going to strike any blow in the war on helmuts, it will simply see me copping a fine. But say some day I pluck up the courage to go cruising without such protection, Id thoroughly enjoy the experience should I not bump into th Po-po, however I wouldnt jump up and down protesting my right to ride free should the cops pull me over and start to issue the fine.
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2011, 05:06:00 AM »
Never said he was a warrior for the cause. But throwing up your hands and telling him he deserved it is beyond a shadow of a doubt what the DEA wants you to do.
Someone knowing the risks of their actions doesn't mean they deserve the consequences. If some Jew in Nazi Germany had to flee across the street because their hideout was being raided, and they knew they might get shot while doing so, did they deserve their death if they are shot? If someone has a pain or emotional disorder and they use the only thing they know to help, harming no one, do they deserve to have their life wrecked, simply because they know it's possible some rabid animals with badges and mental problems would ruin them for no good reason? If someone told you he would shoot you in the face for posting on this forum, and you continue to post, and get shot, well you knew the risk and deserved the consequences, right? Life isn't Scarface... to treat it so is sociopathic and childish.
Also... the war on drugs is fueled not by idiot drug users but by cops, judges, lawyers, politicians, and businessmen profiting from the situation... there are idiots hurting themselves in every imaginable way in life, I wonder why drugs are singled out... the idiots are just used as an excuse - political cover. Gotta distinguish correlation from causation...
Someone knowing the risks of their actions doesn't mean they deserve the consequences. If some Jew in Nazi Germany had to flee across the street because their hideout was being raided, and they knew they might get shot while doing so, did they deserve their death if they are shot? If someone has a pain or emotional disorder and they use the only thing they know to help, harming no one, do they deserve to have their life wrecked, simply because they know it's possible some rabid animals with badges and mental problems would ruin them for no good reason? If someone told you he would shoot you in the face for posting on this forum, and you continue to post, and get shot, well you knew the risk and deserved the consequences, right? Life isn't Scarface... to treat it so is sociopathic and childish.
Also... the war on drugs is fueled not by idiot drug users but by cops, judges, lawyers, politicians, and businessmen profiting from the situation... there are idiots hurting themselves in every imaginable way in life, I wonder why drugs are singled out... the idiots are just used as an excuse - political cover. Gotta distinguish correlation from causation...
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2011, 05:30:28 AM »
i think because it's human nature to want to alter your consciesnous so targeting human nature is a good way to lean on people in general.
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2011, 07:12:58 AM »
"If some Jew in Nazi Germany had to flee across the street because their hideout was being raided, and they knew they might get shot while doing so, did they deserve their death if they are shot?"
Reducto ad absurdum...If once they safely got across the street, onto the train heading out of the country, decided to turn around to go back and pick up 600 gm of codeine ,in the process getting shot, then yes Id probably roll my eyes somewhat.
"If someone has a pain or emotional disorder and they use the only thing they know to help, harming no one, do they deserve to have their life wrecked, simply because they know it's possible some rabid animals with badges and mental problems would ruin them for no good reason"
No but as far as Im concerned his life wasnt wrecked until after he showed a total disregard for the chance afforded to him by the court. Remember the point that he was on PROBATION for the same offense at the time of capture. Not only that, he tried to get away with possessing an even larger amount the SECOND time. Now if this was about a guy getting 6 years for the first offense, it would be a completely different story.
"If someone told you he would shoot you in the face for posting on this forum, and you continue to post, and get shot, well you knew the risk and deserved the consequences, right? Life isn't Scarface... to treat it so is sociopathic and childish."
No brainer, If I felt the threat was valid I would not post on this forum. Under the circumstances I wouldnt be stupid or arrogant enough to put myself in the position he did. Do you apply such reasoning to crime in general or only Drug related crime? If I sat out in the summer sun all day and recieved 1st degree burns, should I be surprised or feel sorry for myself that when I did it again the next day I recieved 2nd degree burns?
Reducto ad absurdum...If once they safely got across the street, onto the train heading out of the country, decided to turn around to go back and pick up 600 gm of codeine ,in the process getting shot, then yes Id probably roll my eyes somewhat.
"If someone has a pain or emotional disorder and they use the only thing they know to help, harming no one, do they deserve to have their life wrecked, simply because they know it's possible some rabid animals with badges and mental problems would ruin them for no good reason"
No but as far as Im concerned his life wasnt wrecked until after he showed a total disregard for the chance afforded to him by the court. Remember the point that he was on PROBATION for the same offense at the time of capture. Not only that, he tried to get away with possessing an even larger amount the SECOND time. Now if this was about a guy getting 6 years for the first offense, it would be a completely different story.
"If someone told you he would shoot you in the face for posting on this forum, and you continue to post, and get shot, well you knew the risk and deserved the consequences, right? Life isn't Scarface... to treat it so is sociopathic and childish."
No brainer, If I felt the threat was valid I would not post on this forum. Under the circumstances I wouldnt be stupid or arrogant enough to put myself in the position he did. Do you apply such reasoning to crime in general or only Drug related crime? If I sat out in the summer sun all day and recieved 1st degree burns, should I be surprised or feel sorry for myself that when I did it again the next day I recieved 2nd degree burns?
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2011, 07:22:02 AM »
Absolutely... and even better, those with a desire to alter their consciousness tend to be thoughtful and hence politically hazardous to have around...
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Goldfinger, yes it was a reckless and stupid thing to do, and he could've prevented a lot of his own suffering by acknowledging the circumstances and getting a prescription but, it is still wrong, cruel, and a human being who has hurt no one is going to go through hell over the next 6 years for no good reason. If this didn't turn my stomach I would be concerned for my own mental health. We all do dumb shit and make mistakes... it does not justify being callous. If you got nailed Assyl would be standing up for you, too.
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Goldfinger, yes it was a reckless and stupid thing to do, and he could've prevented a lot of his own suffering by acknowledging the circumstances and getting a prescription but, it is still wrong, cruel, and a human being who has hurt no one is going to go through hell over the next 6 years for no good reason. If this didn't turn my stomach I would be concerned for my own mental health. We all do dumb shit and make mistakes... it does not justify being callous. If you got nailed Assyl would be standing up for you, too.
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Re: 6 years for poss. of codeine
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2011, 07:59:18 AM »
I understand and respect your level of compassion. Ive been nailed for various things over the course of my life. Sucks to be in prison, but I never pretended to be ignorant of the risks,nor the rewards involved and as such copped what I had coming both ways. Being the type of person I am,the only lesson I learnt was how to get better at avoiding getting into such situations.
"We all do dumb shit and make mistakes... it does not justify being callous"
On the flip side one should not expect never ending forgiveness or concession for such stupidity.
If this was an addict getting caught for the second time with a fit in his pocket Id be as outraged as you are now. To my mind that just dont seem to be the case here.
My argument is based on the original info you presented. After a little searching it seems that he was busted with 2 bottles of codeine? Now is this like 2x 300 ml bottles of cough syrup or what? If it is syrup and he is getting busted for "carrier" weight then yes I feel the LENGTH of the sentence is way disproportionate and perhaps your outrage is justified. Seems he was also charged with tampering with evidence for throwing a bag of unknowns out of his car window.
"We all do dumb shit and make mistakes... it does not justify being callous"
On the flip side one should not expect never ending forgiveness or concession for such stupidity.
If this was an addict getting caught for the second time with a fit in his pocket Id be as outraged as you are now. To my mind that just dont seem to be the case here.
My argument is based on the original info you presented. After a little searching it seems that he was busted with 2 bottles of codeine? Now is this like 2x 300 ml bottles of cough syrup or what? If it is syrup and he is getting busted for "carrier" weight then yes I feel the LENGTH of the sentence is way disproportionate and perhaps your outrage is justified. Seems he was also charged with tampering with evidence for throwing a bag of unknowns out of his car window.