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Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« on: November 23, 2011, 08:36:50 AM »
hxxp://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo01156a007

Product looks a bit like pethidine, huh? Use phenethylamine HCl instead, perhaps...

hxxp://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00406a025

As seen above, the Baeyer Villiger rxn could be used to create a phenolic ester to cleave and decarboxylate... then all that's left to do is acylate that alcohol and you've got a powerful pethidine analog. In fact, you don't even have to acylate it...

hxxp://www.scribd.com/doc/43445467/Some-N-Phenethyl-4-Heteroaryl-4-Piperidinols-and-Related-Compounds-Beckett-AH-Casy-AF-Phillips-PM-J-Med-Chem-2-3-245-261-1960-J-Med-Che
(view page 252)

...but why not? :P Hopefully the elimination product isn't anywhere near as neurotoxic as MPTP.

What would potentially be very exciting is if this ester didn't even need to be cleaved.

hxxp://www.scribd.com/doc/37631284/Synthetic-analgesics-F-Bergel-and-A-L-Morrison-Q-Rev-Chem-Soc-1948-2-349-382-DOI-10-1039-QR9480200349
(go to page 366)

This suggests it *MAY* not interfere with binding to our favorite receptor. If this is the case, tedious and potentially messy/low yielding decarboxylation could be avoided - simply acylate, hit with MeOH under transesterification conditions and... walah. Perhaps even the phenolic ester would be active, or even the PhCO compound, though steric factors probably preclude this from occurring. Alternatively, perhaps a mixture of acetone and acetophenone could be used, as the 3-methyl compound is active, so the 3-ethyl should be as well, and 3-ethyl is only a Zn/HCl away when you've got the keto compound (which, again, may actually be active). Yields would never reach 50%, but sloppy bastards would love it.

The skeleton of a mu agonist from acetophenone, formaldehyde, and phenethylamine - not bad at all.
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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 09:46:57 PM »
It's official: cleanup is necessary. Any lazy bastards eating rxn mixtures won't last long!

hxxp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jat.887/abstract
(Sure wish Assyl had electronic journal access :P)

Here's an alternative to using the Baeyer Villiger rxn. Hydrogen peroxide and NaOH is used to oxidize the ketone, and saponify the ester thus formed. Should have the advantage of destroying all the cytotoxic crap too, assuming the rxn is allowed to run to completion. The question still remains however: is it easy to decarboxylate this product? If not, does the ester retain significant activity?

hxxp://www.organic-chemistry.org/namedreactions/dakin-reaction.shtm
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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2011, 10:36:18 PM »
no the ester has no activity complete waste of time.

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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 10:37:28 PM »
Here are the full version of the papers you are citing  :P


By the way, if you need any full papers to help your studies, you can request them in that thread 8) :
http://127.0.0.1/talk/index.php/topic,2669.msg27348.html

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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 12:40:45 AM »
Thanks again RoidRage!

Jon - do you know if there are any 3-substituents outside of short alkyl chains (I know 3-methyl is active) that are acceptable? Having trouble finding literature on SAR relating to 3-substitution. Are we stuck looking for a way to turn the COOH into H or CH3?
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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 01:53:36 AM »
methyl and ally other than that it's a non-starter don't waste your time.
if you want one step opiate synthesis schmidle and mansfeild's patent is the way to go.
and your going to have a real tough time trying to decarboxylate that.
it takes harsh conditions and strong bases to get the job done think 320 C
harsh conditions.

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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2011, 06:02:01 AM »
There's got to be a better way to decarboxylate...

How about this?

hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunsdiecker_reaction

Hit the silver salt with iodine or bromine, and then reduce with Zn/acid to the alkane...

Or perhaps Kolbe electrolysis, with a vast excess of acetate to replace carboxyl with methyl... short on time, but will investigate more to see if either of these ideas are remotely viable. Thanks for the feedback as always, and mad respect to you for posting so many great papers on scribd. Assyl has been reading!
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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2011, 06:05:24 AM »
you're really chasing your tail just try some of the more conventional routes.
schmidle and mansfeild comes to mind it's the only one-step opiod synthesis there is.

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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2011, 06:25:01 AM »
Assyl is interested in exploring these routes not for use himself (his opioid of choice is hands down oxycodone, and there is no shortage of supply), but for those who wish to only work with what's available at the hardware store. The method you mention is very elegant, but Assyl has never seen alpha methylstyrene on a shelf anywhere - assumedly there's no way such an important industrial chemical could be watched, but it seems it would still have to be ordered. Perhaps Assyl is wrong on this, in which case he will do a little dance.
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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2011, 09:16:34 AM »
yeah you have to order it, but it's no problem just say you need it for a plasticizer for polyester resins.
it's cheap too i found some for 17 GBP's for 500 ml.

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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2011, 11:52:28 AM »
         "schmidle and mansfeild comes to mind it's the only one-step opiod synthesis there is."

Hmmm . . .TSE says "nup" not there :P . . .could you please expand the parameters for moi?

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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2011, 04:15:28 PM »
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"schmidle and mansfeild comes to mind it's the only one-step opiod synthesis there is."

Hmmm . . .TSE says "nup" not there

It's there, unless there's operator error  ::)  These types of compounds were first brought up on the Hive by Epikur and related articles were/are hosted on Rhodium's page:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/prodine.pdf

The end results from the effort applied  8)
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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2011, 09:31:13 PM »
it's a whole body of work done by schmidle and mansfeild and also hatough et. al.
you can find it on espacenet
preparation of esters.

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Re: Pethidine analogs, OTC?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2011, 11:06:57 AM »
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It's there, unless there's operator error  ::)

yeah more than likely :P I admit it wasnt the most thorough search ???

 but thanx very much for the heads up, both of you  8)
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