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Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« on: January 30, 2009, 11:09:38 AM »
I think I'll throw it all in the dehydrator so I can at least preserve it, but I was told to just go for an extraction with this.

but I'm a greenthumb, not tappedglasses

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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 12:08:33 AM »
Nice Plant! Have you tried it to see if it has any effects? Is it most active when smoked, or taken orally? I think it might not work so well smoked, though I could easily be wrong.


   Marijuanilla is less confusingly known as leonurus sibiricus, and contains several alkaloids. Some of the alkaloids are leonurinine, leonuridine, stachydrine, leuronurine, prehispanolone, cycloleonurinine, leoheterin, and preleoheterin.  Leonurine is one of the psychoactive chemicals found in leonurus sibiricus, as well as leonotis leonurus, popularly known as wild dagga and lions tail.
   Leonurine is 4-Hydroxy-3,5-dimethoxybenzoic acid 4-guanidinobutyl ester and is an amine. Since amines form salts with acids, it is likely that an acid-base extraction could be preformed with the plant material in order to get leonurine and derivatives.


   Making an acidic, water based infusion with leonurus sibricus would get the basic alkaloids into solution. This solution would be strained of its plant material and turned slightly basic. To get a more pure product of the alkaloids, de-fat the acidic solution during the acid-base extraction. This can be accomplished by adding a solvent such as dichloromethane, naphtha, or another nonpolar solvent. Once it is basic, and optionally de-fatted a solvent that dissolves the alkaloids. Although unsure, it seems ethyl acetate, or a chlorinated hydrocarbon would work well for leonurine.


   Another option, that would produce a less pure extract of the present alkaloids then an acid-base extraction, is to extract the alkaloids from the plant material with a solvent such as water, acetone, ethanol or some other polar solvent. Wikipedia claims that leonurine is easily extracted with water.
   Some properties worth noting maybe that since leonurine is an ester, it can likely be broken down by strong acids and bases at increased temperatures or long periods of exposure. Since leonurine has a hydroxyl group it may be able to form salts with bases in the right conditions, which would prevent an extraction using a nonpolar solvent. So care must be taken when using a strong base during the acid-base extraction.


Here are some links you may want to check out.


http://www.newstar-chem.com/english/display.asp?id=208
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid-base_extraction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonurine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonurus_sibiricus


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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2009, 03:26:40 AM »
Yeah, I am curious how you will do this and how it will turn out. I have always just smoked the dried flowers.

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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2009, 07:17:03 AM »
Yeah, I am curious how you will do this and how it will turn out. I have always just smoked the dried flowers.


as just a filler, or by itself

any noteable effects?

ive been trying out my rustica lately and it is so clean and nice


Vesp, thanks for all that info. suppose i should try the simplest first with a water extraction. maybe ethanol with another plant.

i have 3 large plants.

do you suggest if i make a tea with this to use all foliage? flowers etc
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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 07:19:00 AM »
...am i brewing a tea?

how do i extract with water?
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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2009, 07:51:39 PM »
I smoke it by itself when I am out of bud. It has noticeable effects for sure. It is like a mild high from marijuana but the smoke is harsh. The effects do not last long either.
I misplaced my bag of flowers ATM. Keep us informed on your extractions. I am really interested in the outcome and its effects. You should try smoking the dried flower to use that as a base line to compare your extractions to.

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2009, 08:13:51 PM »
I guess you'd essentially you'd be making a tea - but if you want to smoke it I would let it evaporate and scrape up the resin. If you added a little bit of lemon juice it may help extract it from the plant material more.

Does anyone know what method of ingestion makes the alkaloids most active?
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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 06:19:56 PM »
hmmmmmm

if i do the ethanol extraction, what steps should i take.

im assuming shred all plant material. and let it soak in an alcohol bath for a while...?

then?

hahaha, first extraction attempt  ;D
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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2009, 10:27:05 PM »
It never hurts to UTFSE!

once you have let the plant material soak a bit, filter and evaporate.
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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 12:52:16 AM »
Forgive my ignorance but what is UTFSE?

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2009, 01:53:48 AM »
Use The Fucking Search Engine = UTFSE
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2009, 12:22:35 AM »
UTFSE to find out what UTFSE means!!!
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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2009, 01:09:17 AM »
First of all thanks for inviting me to your site guys >:(But yeah, Marijuanillia isn't worth messing with in my opinion, and really doesn't have a very nice effect. I've smoked it several times, and it was like a cigarette buzz. Kinda like I smoked two cigarettes back to back. Really nauseating. I wouldn't bother with it. they say Klipp Dagga is a lot stronger. Do you still have some of that growing justme?
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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 10:02:40 AM »
HEY, welcome mang

i have one klip going...its a beast

it survived a flood. a rotten head. falling over...couple times

probably other stuff

KBG have you ever done an extraction to the marijuanilla, or just dried and smoked the leaves?

maybe ill hang some up to cure like tobacco... ???
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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2009, 02:14:53 PM »
I actually broke up the flower buds.They are supposed to be the most potent part.I say if you can get some real herbs,don't mess with it.It just isn't worth it.The smoke taste horrible,and you get a slight head change for a few minutes,much like a cigarette buzz.I guess you could try and extract it,but I wouldn't know what kind of chemical you would use to do so.I've not seen any info on the net pertaining to extraction of such a plant.

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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2009, 09:23:47 PM »
Like I said before, the smoke is harsh and the high doesn't last long. Makes pretty flowers though. Never tried Klip dagga though. Have you tried it KBG??

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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2009, 09:05:38 PM »
idk man...

i just made a blend of:

N.rustica
marijaunilla
kilp
d.stram
d.metel
calea

i like it. brief "brightening" of surroundings, followed by the "after sally comedown" buzz  ;D
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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2009, 11:30:02 PM »
what is kilp?
Sounds like a heady bunch of plants!! How was the smoke? Did you do a bioassay?
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 03:13:13 AM »
I've never tried klip before,but I grew a 6 footer,and intend on growing a bunch more this spring which reminds me,I got to get the seeds started :)

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Re: Marijuanilla harvested. how to extract? what to extract?
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 11:57:56 PM »
what is kilp?
Sounds like a heady bunch of plants!! How was the smoke? Did you do a bioassay?
I see what UTFSE is!!!! Brain fart

Never mind. KLIP, and I thought it was something different for a second.  :-[