Author Topic: lame codeine de-CH3, again.  (Read 167 times)

tryl

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lame codeine de-CH3, again.
« on: January 11, 2012, 02:18:27 PM »
some colleague from the uni has been attempting to demethylate codeine using BBr3.

discussing it over a beer, that's how i said i'm seeing it go down:

the crushed pill mass (containing also caffeine, metamizole, paracetamol) was dissolved in warm water, cooled in the fridge and based w/ NaOH to ~pH 12, then the codeine base extracted w/ chloroform.

this was added to a mixture of CHCl3 and BBr3 (with the necessary precautions taken) and stirred for half an hour, then poured into ice+ammonia, stirred for another half an hour at low temp & filtered, giving morphine hydrate, which was subsequently treated w/ sodium (bi)carb to yield the base.

he is going to attempt this in the week to follow & i will update the thread with the reported results and possible photos.
meanwhile - anybody out there ever attempted this, perhaps?
any tips, tricks, hints, 'eastern eggs', pitfalls i should be particularly aware of?

from the looks of it, at first glance and brief inspection, the most difficult part in this scheme has been the acquisition of BBr3.
apparently no chem house wants this in their warehouses...

another thing i've been wondering is, could the Br3 possibly be substituted w/ Cl3?
"In the words of Archimedes, give me a lever long enough and a place to rest it... or I shall kill one hostage every hour."

smellslikeindole

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Re: lame codeine de-CH3, again.
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 07:03:53 PM »
From one of my older posts:

DR PHARMA NOVA, LLC
Patent:   WO2006/91885 A2, 2006 ;
Location in patent: Page/Page column 51-52 ;

Single 2H labeled morphine can be prepared using a modification of the procedure described in Journal of Medicinal Chemistry, 1977, vol 20, 164-165. A solution of 2.99 g (10 mmol) of anyhydrous D2-Codiene O-3 in 25 ml of CHCh is to be added during 2 min to a well-stirred solution of 15 g (59.9 mmol) of BBn in 175 ml of CHC13 maintained in the range 23-26 degrees C. A 10 ml portion of CHCh, which is added to rinse the addition funnel, is added to the reaction mixture and stirring is continued for 15 min at 23-26 degrees C. The reaction mixture which will consist of a suspension of white solid (in CHCh) is then poured into a well-stirred mixture of 80 g EPO <DP n="53"/>of ice and 20 ml of concentrated (28-30percent NH3) NBUOH. The two-phase system is kept at -5 to 0 degrees C for 0.5 h (continuous stirring) and filtered. The resulting crystalline material is washed thoroughly with small portions of cold CHCIa and H2O and dried to give 2.67 g (88.1 percent) of slightly off-white MO-3 monohydrate.

And there would be two thing to suggest: the extraction from the pills pulls some other chemicals than the codeine or is it selective, so just the codeine will come out? And the other thing: drying of the codeine-CHCl3 extraction would be great, with some CaCl2 before adding the BBr3-chloroform solution, else way a big amount of the BBr3 would hydrolyze.

And other strong Lewis acids are also good the demethylate ethers, such as BCl3, AlCl3 ect. The only problem is, that most of these reagents not as good as BBr3 and they will react slower, or they require heating what could easily decrese the yield.
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POSEIDON

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Re: lame codeine de-CH3, again.
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 07:19:16 PM »
 Look this pdf
The chemists are a strange class of mortals, impelled by an almost insane impulse to seek their pleasures amid smoke and vapour, soot and flame, poisons and poverty; yet among all these evils I seem to live so sweetly that may I die if I were to change places with the Persian king.
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Re: lame codeine de-CH3, again.
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2013, 04:49:36 PM »
I'm definetly up for this.

Will try heating elemental B with Br2 and condensing the BBr3 in a ''OTC'' method, obviously taking care of the risks, how you guys think of this?

Regards!! :)

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Re: lame codeine de-CH3, again.
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 07:09:24 PM »
I have.