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Oerlikon

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Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« on: January 28, 2012, 11:20:40 PM »
Got this idea while looking at the naltrexone formula...
I know that smaller cyclic alkenes like cyclopropane react allmost like alkenes.
This can explain why both naloxone and naltrexone share same antagonistic properties,
they bound irreveribly/covalently to the opioide receptor on the "wrong" side.
Becouse of that property I know that some of the following addition reactions to open the ring is
not only possible but quite likely:

Main Structure-CH3-CyPr + HBr = Main Structure-CH3-CHBr-CH2-CH3
Main Structure-CH3-CyPr + HBr = Main Structure-CH3-CH3-CH2-CH2Br

Anyone has idea what to do next!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naltrexone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymorphone

EDIT:
LOL Apparently I had a good hunch!
http://www.reference.com/browse/methylcyclopropane

Guys on drugs-forum.org had the same discussion but nobody
tried to do further research.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2012, 11:27:16 PM by Oerlikon »
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 11:23:17 PM »
i have been thinking about the exact same thing for quite awhile.

while i buy morphine and esterify it.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 05:01:14 AM »
Hard to say if you'd get an agonist, partial agonist, or antagonist from that. Probably not worth the trouble.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 07:45:51 AM »
Also, you're going to get a polymeric mess. Don't forget that alkyl bromides react readily with amines... with a chain that short it's probably not going to be with the nitrogen in the same molecule, but rather one in another. Also there is a drastic drop in activity with a quaternized nitrogen.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 09:31:09 AM »
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while i buy morphine and esterify i

which way?

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you're going to get a polymeric mes

quite possibly, plus I cant see why anyone would want to bother.... ::)

Hey assyl. I'm sorry if I seem to be dissing all your idea's, but truly I'm not...its just the OTC likelyhood of many seems unlikely :P

at least in my neck of the woods ???

But hey, keep up the lateral thinking, I wouldnt be surprised if you come up with some gems someday
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2012, 09:36:02 AM »
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Hey assyl. I'm sorry if I seem to be dissing all your idea's, but truly I'm not...its just the OTC likelyhood of many seems unlikely :P

at least in my neck of the woods ???

But hey, keep up the lateral thinking, I wouldnt be surprised if you come up with some gems someday

Not sure what you're talking about. The OP of this thread is not me, and you haven't replied in any of my threads. Perhaps you meant to say "hey Oerlikon"...?

If, however, it is meant for me, please post your concerns with the proposed syntheses in the relevant thread. Criticism is welcome, it helps in the process of evaluating and refining an idea.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 06:27:33 AM »
i was looking into that not long ago and the best way i found to do that was to n-dealkylate it with vinyl chloroformate
now i don't know if that works for n-dealylation of a cyclo-propyl methyl group i know it works on morphine.
what happens is vinyl chlloroformate will form the carbamate at nitrogen and o-proect it for the subsequent alkylation.
the vinyl carbamate can be split off with acid while the o-protected vinyl oxy ester remains intact.
then after n-alkylation the ester can be hydrolysed with a base.
that's the general gist of the scheme.
anyway vinyl chloroformate is made from phosgene and allyl alcohol which is what put me off to that idea.
naltrexone is cheap (6 dollars a gram) so the scheme is an attractive one.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2012, 07:35:22 AM by jon »

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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 05:22:05 PM »
down here naltrexone is the same schedule as morphine, 6 bucks a gram ? from mexico or something?
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 06:25:25 PM »
yeah, naltrexone is kind of expensive around here, at least.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 06:46:46 PM »
have considered the same idea for a long time, but i am really waiting on some of you guys to waste all that time and money on hobbyist junkie research and then share.

qrj, naloxone can be obtained for cheap & is almost oxycodone, lol.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2012, 12:42:56 PM »
yeah, i know.
but i'm always amused how much money the highly frustrated mothers here have to spend on naltrexone for their sweet children, 50 mg x 28 = 150 lv.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2012, 10:28:20 PM »
it's dirt cheap in india where all the pharmacuetical manufacturing takes place

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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2012, 11:02:30 PM »
Turn naltrexone into the 14-O-phenylpropoxy compound and the substitution on the nitrogen no longer affects it - it becomes a highly potent agonist. Just remembered this...

The hard part is doing this without alkylating the alpha keto carbons... would be wise to protect it first with ethylene glycol.

Quote from: Synthesis and Biological Evaluation of 14-Alkoxymorphinans
The N-CPM analogue 15 is approximately 600 times more potent than morphine in the TF (ED50 ) 0.003mg/kg for 15, compared with 1.9 mg/kg for morphine).
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2012, 11:43:35 PM »
very very interesting

i'll bet my bottom dollar the esters would display agonist activity too.

hmm, natrexone and acetic anhydride anyone?

i'll be damned it is a partial agonist.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jm8012272

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2802822/

it looks like you would have to o-protect it at phenol OH too.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2012, 12:31:03 AM »
Shouldn't be any need to O-protect, at least with phenylpropoxy as the 14 substituent, 15 mentioned above is 600x morphine with a phenolic OH, no OMe to be found.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2012, 12:40:58 AM »
you would need to o-protect the phenol in order to alkylate it
maybe form a benzyl ether or a methoxy methyl ether then split it off with h2 and pd/c
matter of fact that would be really tricky to pull of from naltrexone now that i think about it.
i don't think you would be able to selectively alkylate it.
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2012, 12:48:43 AM »
Oh yeah, whoops - you're right. If you protect with methoxy then it's easy for sure, 14-alkoxycodones are easily converted into 14-alkoxymorphinans by refluxing with HBr. Who knows, maybe the 14-methoxy compound would be a full agonist, if so it would simply this a lot.

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=15704

Trimethylsulfonium bromide used as a relatively non-toxic methylating agent, and it's a solid, not a liquid or a gas... easily made by adding bromine to DMSO. Might be able to use this to alkylate at the 14 position as well. If used, protecting the 6-keto moiety may not be necessary; methyls at the 5 and 7 positions do not appear to significantly diminish activity.

Dimsyl sodium should be a strong enough base to deprotonate the tertiary alcohol, and that can be made by chucking sodium (or something similar from lithium in batteries) into DMSO...
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 01:04:57 AM »
in this abstract they 3-o protect naltrexone with benzyl bromide i assume under phase transfer conditions probably a williamson ether synthesis scheme.
then either catalytic hydrogenation or catalytic transfer hydrogenation to deprotect.
alternately, trityl chloride can be used to o-protect as it's easily cleaved by just refluxing in acetic acid.

have a look.
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jm00051a003
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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2012, 08:08:52 AM »
here is the most recent review of the synthetic techniques by schmidhammer i think you will find it useful.

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Re: Naltrexone to oxymorphone idea
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2012, 05:38:58 PM »
Very good article.  I wish they had tried the cinnamyloxy derivative in addition to the phenylpropoxy for comparison. 

On a side note, I tried doing the o-demethylation of oxycodone using HCl and LiBr, which just requires a longer reaction time than HBr supposedly.  But I was never able to get the damn shit out of solution!  The extractions and mother liquors still sit in jars.  Morphine and the like are damn hard to extract compared to codeine deriv's, at least for me.