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Stress
« on: April 13, 2012, 11:37:28 PM »
I'm stressed out. I got sick with the flu for a week and a half, maybe two weeks. Now I am behind on all sorts of things that I need to be doing. For my business specifically. Plus inventory is all fucked up, and all these other things. Plus I need to do other stuff for this site, other sites, and just all this other stuff.

Anyways, I need to find a way to lower my stress/increase tolerance for stress.

I eat properly, get lots of sleep, and exercise a lot... Listen to music, and I socialize fairly often - I take vitamins/protein, etc-- but still, I'm getting more and more stressed. It seems like I used to be able to handle way more stress at one point, but now I am less tolerant to it?

I don't know... What can I do? Is there some sort of plant/herb/drug thingy that increases stress tolerance, increases motivation, and focus? I don't want something that artificially lowers stress - stress is a needed/good thing to keep people going... so what I want is something that allows me to manage stress/daily demands more effectively.

I'm sure it will decrease when I catch up to everything, but its such a trick to do such a thing.
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Re: Stress
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 11:46:34 PM »
Your case sounds psychological rather than physiological :/ Remember that it is your nervous system that is triggering those physiological responses (fatigue, anxiety etc...) from the information in your environment that your brain process. My advice is cognitive-behavioral therapy or biofeedback.

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Re: Stress
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2012, 01:43:26 AM »
Yeah, I think it is mostly just from being sick and is a temporary thing as normally I am not stressed -- just seems like there might be something that could help. I don't know.
I just have to many projects going on that I don't know how to do :P
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2012, 02:20:20 AM »
This nutrient has been called the anti-stress vitamin:

h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantothenic_acid

Roger Williams discovered it, and Linus Pauling advocated it's use  ;)  It's essential to many biological processes  :P  It's not as easily available as other essential nutrients, which is undoubtedly due to lack of information being published by agencies as to it's value  :o An article from Ames concerning it is attached  8)
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Re: Stress
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 09:06:10 AM »
On the flip side, you could look a bit deeper into it than earthly common day cause and effect, and relate your current circumstance to the oh so fucking obvious universal reshuffling that this tiny speck of a planet is involved in right now. I mean if the moon can do it than then...

 ;) ;) ;)

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 09:40:39 AM »
Stress, by definition, cannot be overcome. While trying you are swimming upstream on a neverending river. It works out best to let yourself relax and not accept all the opportunities in front of you. Stress will eat you alive and since you get washed out to sea in the end anyway it makes sense to thread water sometimes and go with the flow at others.
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Re: Stress
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 10:24:47 AM »
Stress, by definition, cannot be overcome. While trying you are swimming upstream on a neverending river. It works out best to let yourself relax and not accept all the opportunities in front of you. Stress will eat you alive and since you get washed out to sea in the end anyway it makes sense to thread water sometimes and go with the flow at others.
I like this analogy.
I've come up with something similar, if not the same in meaning, but it has to do with running towards the sun  from Dark Side of The Moon by Pink Floyd. :)

Maybe I just need to listen to Dark Side of the Moon and go on a nice long walk. That probably will fix any issues I have. Kind of seems like a reboot to my system. :P

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Re: Stress
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 01:36:56 PM »
music is very powerful. 

Look over what you were writing earlier and question everything.  Whenever you hear the words inside "I have to" stop and question your beliefs and see what is driving you.

I spent a over a year once a week with a great psychologist who said "the ONLY valid reason to do anything is because you WANT to".  It took me another year to really understand those words.  The only exception to that is things you TRULY need to do to survive.

I also know first hand that some activities "feeds you".   Meaning it feels effortless and you wind up with more energy afterwards.   

Sometimes your mental state while you are doing something can make a fun task draining, for example if you have critical voices in your head while you're doing something.  It's like the thing they call "chi".

 Very often, voices that say you "Must do"  are operating from fear based motivations.  Fear based motivations are derived from outdated programs from early childhood which said "I must please/attach to those around me in order to survive".  When you are adult this need to be attached is no longer vital to your survival but you still believe it is. 

It's like a program in your startup folder on your PC that runs when you boot without you asking it to.  You may not be aware you don't have to run it anymore. 

Most people run all sorts of programs without knowing what or why they are doing things.  When guru's talk about the "conditioned mind" this is what they are talking about.  It's like when you learn to do something by repeating it like driving a car or riding a bike - your autonomic system takes over so you don't have to think about the individual actions required to perform these functions.   You've written a macro for it.

Most people live their day to day life out of these autonomic processes with very little thinking or direction taking place.  Which is why marketing is such big bucks and people are so easy to manipulate (program).  No one sitting at the desk moving the mouse makes for a machine you can easily control.

When we judge our experiences we are doing so out of a need of our Autonomic system - it wants to know is this something to avoid - a hungry predator, or is it something it wants to attach to such as food, shelter etc.  So the judging of experience is part of that feedback loop that programs our own behaviors.  If you had a negative experience in one of the tasks you think you need to perform you will start to avoid it automatically - making a negative energy loop for that task.

And while all of this appears somewhat psychological it is part of a physical loop - I think what they call the subconscious mind is really the ANS and its survival programs doing it's thing to keep us alive.  The physical loop is part of what causes type-2 diabetes and a whole host of other stress related illnesses.

There's a fascinating book called "Why zebras don't get ulcers" that covers a lot of the details.   I'll pm you a copy if you can't find it.  Also attached a book about marketing and science called "Trust us, we're the experts".

"While my guitar gently Weeps" would be appropriate at this point.

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2012, 05:06:02 PM »
hxtp://fukitall.com/

when I hit a stress wall and feel like I'm being overwhelmed I find it nice to go smoke a little dmt in the woods.  Strips away everything and gives a moment of just you time.  On the walk back its usually very east to prioritize things and look at the whole situation, not each individual project.  for me relieves so much stress and I usually find I have a better motivated. 

^thats some deep stuff salat I for sure want to read that book
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2012, 11:05:36 AM »
How about adaptogens. Such as ginseng (there are a couple of different, unrelated adaptogenic plants going by the name ginseng), Rhodiola rosea, etc.

Adaptogens help regulate the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis, boosting glucocorticoid levels if they are too low and lowering them if they are too high, helping one to better cope with stress.

Or go for a nice long hike out in the woods, hitting a bar on the way home for dinner and a pint or three.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2012, 02:11:43 PM »
as of late, there has been a rather large pile of un-done things needed to be taken care of for nigluhS as well. Seems like when he gets worked up about it all, it's b/c he is idle/not TCB-ing (taking care of business). If one is actively working towards the needed end goals, they are then able to "calm" the mind with the sense of at least something is being done to reach that achievement, whatever it may be.
The nice thing about having so much to do is, if one gets overwhelmed by something, they can bounce to something else and still maintain the sense of accomplishment b/c shit is getting done.

If it's a debilitating stress, then a good hard run, great sweaty sex, or a tiny bit of THC in the system is usually enough to get nigluhs back to a place where shit can get accomplished.
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Re: Stress
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 10:13:00 PM »
Classical music does wonders for me. Especially the composers from the romantic era, Liszt, Grieg, Rimsky-Korsakoff...
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Re: Stress
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 10:49:55 PM »
 

fresh thinks what salat says has much merit  8)

the 'little things' can have  'big effects' at times . . . the 'straw that breaks the camels back' so to speak.

I was on once told if I was stressing to stop and check the  'HALTS' ... are you  Hungry Angry Lonely Tired/Thirsty Serious/Sad?

IME these things are often overlooked and can have a surprising effect on ones headspace ... it's surprising sometimes how much some food can do to make you feel much better all over!  And learning how to get enough sleep is pretty important imo
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2012, 03:42:43 AM »
IME the most effective stress reliever is daily meditation.  Nothing major, just 10 - 30 minutes a day. Being able to shut up internally and exist in the now is a wonderful feeling. One of the most effective meditations I found was to remind myself immediately upon waking how much I have to be grateful for, and that it is all impermanent. Spending even 5-10 minuites meditating on the the phrases "my death is certain", "my time of death is uncertain", and "what will matter when I die" really put things into perspective for me with regards to stress.

(these are all buddhist meditations, but the techniques can be applied secularly with spectacular results)
hxxps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipassan%C4%81 --- Vipassan? (insight)
hxxps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett%C4%81 --- Metta (loving kindness)

I have way more links if anyone is interested.

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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2012, 07:45:33 PM »
Vesp:
Take a cordyceps supplement, preferably "Stamets 7", a mixture of 7 medicinal mushrooms.  I have tried everything for stress and these things just work.  Not to mention they boost your immune system so you wont get sick in the first place.

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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2012, 07:47:29 PM »
Clyde: I am interested in the different schools/methods of meditation, PM me the links if they wont fit here.

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2012, 05:45:43 PM »
Also interested in different schools of meditation, and also yoga :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_asanas 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Shin_T%C5%8Ditsu-d%C5%8D

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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 03:18:30 AM »
Ok, I'll just pool all the links I can remember here then.

hxxp://diydharma.org/ -- My first resource on the topic, and possibly my favorite overall. They host a great deal of lectures and Dharma talks by Buddhist teachers. If your looking for meditations then the Guided Meditations section is where you will want to go. I really recommend looking into the lectures as well, especially if you have an interest in cognitive behavioral therapy / philosophy etc.

hxxp://www.audiodharma.org/ -- Similar to diydharma this site houses audio talks from the Insight Meditation Center in California.

hxxp://www.insightmeditationcenter.org/books-articles/meditation-instruction/ -- Meditation Instructions.

hxxp://www.vipassanadhura.com/whatis.htm -- An introduction to vipassana (insight) meditation.

hxxp://www.vipassanadhura.com/howto.htm -- A simple and effective guide to vipassana meditation.

hxxp://www.audiodharma.org/series/1/talk/2418/ -- A 4 talk long series on metta (loving kindness) meditation. Worthwhile imo.

hxxp://againstthestream.org/ -- Punk-rock Buddhism. Very interesting fusion.

hxxp://www.thegreatcourses.com/tgc/courses/course_detail.aspx?cid=687 -- If your really interested this audio course is a great introduction to the schools of Buddhism, history of Buddhism, etc

A few notable talks that I think people here would enjoy:

Dr. Gabor Mate -- Taming the Hungry Ghost:  A Biopsychosocial View of Addiction
hxxp://hwcdn.net/t9f2y9d8/cds/7thwave/010695/tongue033110.mp3

Noah Levine - Buddhism As Anti-Establishment Rebellion
hxxp://diydharma.org/audio/download/7750/noah_levine-buddhism_as_anti-establishment_rebellion.mp3

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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 03:41:31 PM »
  the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying   by    Sogyal Rinpoche   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tibetan_Book_of_Living_and_Dying

is an easily digested book on buddhism for the 'western' mind.  Rinpoche is a Tibetan Monk who writes a good book  ;)  When you truly come to terms with your the FACT you will die living becomes 'easier'


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sogyal_Rinpoche

Pretend as hard as possible that you ONLY have 30 mins left to live, make a note of the time, and then try and as sincerely as possible decide what you really would do IF you WERE going to die in 30mins.

Most people do not get 'notice' of their death...would you want to know exactly 'when' you will die? 

This as one of THE most interesting thought experiments I have ever done!  It really changed the way I looked at a lot of things, a bit like a trip  8)
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 08:27:40 PM »
Death meditation is intense. For about 2-3 weeks I woke up every morning and after rolling out of bed I would spend 20-30 minuites meditating on the mantras "My death is certain.", "My time of death is uncertain.", "What will matter when I die?", and "This is my last day to live."

Really puts the rest of the day into perspective... I wasted less time, and had more meaningful experiences.