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Everything is so easy to make
« on: September 13, 2012, 12:19:24 AM »
I had been so tunnel visioned on one reaction for the last 3 years that I never really cared about any others. The last time I did care I was woefully lacking proper knowledge and was more or less blindly fumbling around the internet. Three years later though I can't believe how difficult I thought things were and I can't believe how difficult everyone thinks things are. After having revisited many reactions and synthesizes I saw back in the day it has just occurred to me how incredibly easy and accessible all reactions are and that the only thing really standing in people's way are their own laziness. Virtually every reagent that people think is a roadblock to their synthesis can be made themselves. Nothing new here other then the epiphany that people really are just too lazy to make their own reagents instead of thinking that going through the time, risk, and stress of purchasing them is the only way.

Want red phosphorus? OMG what am I going to do?! Steal some? Risk tricking a source to send me some? Spend 3 years cutting millions of matches? How about just go cook some of your piss. Yep, letting your urine sit for a week then mixing with cinnamon and charcoal then distilling the vapor into water will make white phosphorous and from there you can either heat in oven or expose to sun to get red phosphorus.

Want anhydrous ammonia? Lets go rob a farm right? Yeah or you could just take a leak again. Better yet just go to the grocery store and buy some regular ammonia then simply distill through calcium oxide to dry then capture in a cold finger condenser charged by dry ice and acetone.

Ephedrine? After looking through things with a more educated brain it amazes me that people still fuck with cold pills or ever did! You can make kilos of that stuff from benzaldehyde which you can make a number of ways from oxidation or electrolysis of toulene, hydrolysis of benzyl cholride, oxidation of benzyl alcohol,  to probably the easiest refluxing cinnamaldehyde.

Sassasfras? Do you have any idea how easy it is to distill essential oils from plants?? Hell there is a herbal shop 2 miles from me that literally has bags of sassafras bark for sale. Not too mention the countless other plants you can distill from.

I know nothing of this is new but that's my point! People are just fucking lazy is what it comes down to. I was the same way. I'd look at a synthesis and then see how hard it is to get red-p or aa and move on. I also just wanted methods that had the least amount of words in them like distilling, refluxing, decanting, extracting, ect. ect. I looked for that because being new I thought all that stuff is a big deal. Three years later I realize that simply turning the dail on a hotplate to make a reagent is a hell of a lot easier then going through the time, risk, and hassel of purchasing it. Even when I look at the synthesis for fentanyl I distinctly remember posting once that a guy should not try it because it is way too difficult yet now I wonder what the hell was I thinking and exactly what did I think was so hard? I think people are just lazy and want a two or three step shake and bake all with reagents you can Ebay. But it has just finally came to me that if you are willing to put in just a little bit of effort, make a reagent or two on your own, and not make chemical techniques out to be a big deal then there really isn't anything out there that is a big deal to make whether speed or nerve agents. Many of you already feel this way but it has now just hit me.

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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2012, 07:01:42 PM »
Indeed and everything is just sitting right under ones nose too! Even fine organic chemicals!
Recently i discovered one example, a unsaturated aldehyde i need is not more like methyl ricineoleate ozonolysis and reducing workup to have, thats all, the effort of not being lazy pays itself so much ;D
And every process and procedure is mostly so old too, and its not like the information is kept secret or someone would ever try to do so  :-X  ::)
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2012, 09:27:20 PM »
Yes everything indeed is probably so easy to make. It's also very easy for the human brain to learn and digest the information and knowledge required for these processes.


The single thing I find the hardest bit to implement is the "try" or "do" aspect of it all.

Applying knowledge to the practise itself.

One needs a hell of a lot of confidence, a big ass set of balls and a small tight quiet set of lips.


This... Is not so easy to make and is by far the most important. It's a big hurdle. Once the first one is cleared everything just starts getting easier. Until we can all begin to throw up posts like the original poster to this thread :)  

Seeing posts this like sure is an inspiration though and is the driving force to keep me going to get to that do and try moment.


This place is full of alot of great people willing to help and contribute to make things all that much easier and straightforward and understandable. Whilst being cool as fuck.

I thank you all greatly. You've saved me shit loads of cash going to university. I just home the hobby doesn't cost me shit loads of time in jail.

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« Last Edit: September 13, 2012, 09:37:58 PM by Sneak »
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2012, 10:49:04 PM »
I thank you all greatly. You've saved me shit loads of cash going to university. I just home the hobby doesn't cost me shit loads of time in jail.

You can still get that university education. All those expensive college text books can be downloaded for free from numerous ebook sites. Then you can download the syllabuses from college websites. What about lectures and labs? Those are all online too. Many universities (MIT being the leader) now record and post  their lectures and labs online (YouTube). So if you want the knowledge of an undergrad and masters from MIT you can go get one without spending a penny (I don't think there is anyway to replicate research heavy grad school online though).

As for not getting caught just open up a UPS store mailbox, always ship there, and never order anything suspicious (just make it yourself if you have to). That and keeping your mouth shut you are golden barring a freak fire and a bunch of firemen kicking down the door saying "wtf have we got here?". Clean all equipment thoroughly and bury all final product in the ground off your property. If you lived right by a police station you would live there for 80 years without them ever coming in so why would they ever come in if you were doing something? They don't know, unless you open your mouth or have smells and fumes engulfing the neighborhood. And dont sell. Ever. It's not worth it. Just do it for you and your friends and don't tell your friends you made it. Tell them a friend of a friend of a friend happen to get really lucky and scored some good stuff that you ended up getting a hold of. That's it. If you get into selling drugs or telling people your skills you are going to become very familiar very quickly with human nature and you are going to be extremely disappointed (I wish I never found out how humans really are, human nature is quite pathetic and sad).

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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2012, 11:22:23 PM »
Cheers that's a decent post with some good advice.

I'm not cut out to be a dealer or even much of a buyer for that matter. That's why I chose to begin this quest. Also I have a keen interest in science in general. So its a pursuit of two kinds!
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2012, 05:46:09 AM »
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And dont sell. Ever. It's not worth it. Just do it for you and your friends and don't tell your friends you made it. Tell them a friend of a friend of a friend happen to get really lucky and scored some good stuff that you ended up getting a hold of. That's it. If you get into selling drugs or telling people your skills you are going to become very familiar very quickly with human nature and you are going to be extremely disappointed (I wish I never found out how humans really are, human nature is quite pathetic and sad).

The unfortunate truth: 99.9% of those you thought were your good friends will rat your ass out the second the heat is on. There is literally no one on earth you can trust other than  yourself, and only if you have the guts to stand your ground and not self-incriminate during a potentially physically brutal interrogation.
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Everything is so easy to make. Theoretically at least
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2012, 06:25:56 AM »
After making lots of things needed from scratch, what was tedious but valuable in an educational way, I am now pretty happy to be able to procure almost every reagent p.a.

Funny as it is, it seems that the first was necessary to achieve the second though....

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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2012, 02:44:29 AM »


The unfortunate truth: 99.9% of those you thought were your good friends will rat your ass out the second the heat is on. There is literally no one on earth you can trust other than  yourself, and only if you have the guts to stand your ground and not self-incriminate during a potentially physically brutal interrogation.

I disagree, although it takes getting put to that ultimate test to prove there are a very slight few, maybe one or lucky two,  that  you can trust more that your own brother.
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2012, 08:34:38 AM »


The unfortunate truth: 99.9% of those you thought were your good friends will rat your ass out the second the heat is on. There is literally no one on earth you can trust other than  yourself, and only if you have the guts to stand your ground and not self-incriminate during a potentially physically brutal interrogation.

I disagree, although it takes getting put to that ultimate test to prove there are a very slight few, maybe one or lucky two,  that  you can trust more that your own brother.
Beware in special of longstanding best friends for a long friendship is no base for trust but mostly just a habit (and knowing so much from each other that one is willing to overlook obvious deficits).
About 2/3 I learned to know in prison were there because of "best friends" and this in a country sentences are comparably lenient, so ratting did not even pay out.
Emotions as they come with "best and long-time friends" blind like love does. Don't fool yourself.

But true is there ARE people who don't rat, those don't do it by principle not sympathy though. And it's for sure not those who declare unasked that they will never rat on you and you can trust them blabla... Those already think about doing it and they will.

Nothing weeds out friends better then hard times though. Thats an advantage albeit hard.

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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2012, 09:51:54 AM »
come on, you know that feeling beeing jealous on your best friend in childhood! its the same your friends feel when they find out who makes these drugs!
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2012, 05:52:51 PM »
Best friends are bad, but GIRL/BOYfriends are worse.  A lot of the folks I did time with were there due to a scorned lover/significant other.  With lots of dope comes lots of so-called friends, and moreover members of the opposite sex who now all of a sudden find you irresistably attractive, and would do ANYTHING to be yer main squeeze.  Then when they find out that you got more than one "main squeeze", they are FAST to drop the dime on ya to the pigz.
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 12:11:58 AM »
That's why we should keep in mind the words of a wise man (Snoop Dogg): 'Cause when bitches get scandalous and full of voodoo, whatchoo gon' do? You really don't know, so I'd advise you not to trust that hoe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOvCmIUNe3I

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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 12:21:24 AM »
While the words are perhaps true, calling Snoop Lion***  a wise man is a huge overstatement and misjudgment.
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 12:33:31 AM »
He's not universally wise, but some of his songs are a good source of realtalk about the frivolousness and mendacity of women.

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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 04:59:12 PM »
And all these usable byproducts! About a good quart litre of fine drinkable and now bone dried ethanol was just won, from a fermentation, i guess it will probably taste like shit cause it was a fermentation of tryptophan, but its for solvent use anyway  ::)
A good laboratory economy, redistilling your solvents, knowing when you can score some byproduct, or unused starting feed again can save one always some money  :)
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2012, 08:32:44 PM »
just wanted to add the reply here, think it fits better there:
wow, you went all that way to "voldemortaldehyde"! that is in a sense stupid, but at the same time awesome. gotta love your access to chems... i envy
Its really not about my access of chems, ive made most of those things myself, the potassium cyanide, the triethyloformiat, the safrol, nearly everything the only critical thing ever purchased was the piperonal ;)
Its like the TS said, all about lazyness ;D
So hard this sounds, if youre not able to purchase it and neither willing to make it yourself you will have a hard time *south park skiing instructor voice*
Dont worry if the equipments all there it becomes really a walk in the park (a sniff of cocaine, im getting away) ;D
Mr cowboy, no offense really my friend, its just about to quote lugh "to tighten the shit up" its really everything so easy if you just try it! ;D
Youre on the best way already just keep it going ;)
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2012, 05:55:57 PM »
KCN via the HCN route? You have a good hood and steel balls.

Piperonal is easy to make. Two steps from benzodioxole, high yields.

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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2012, 05:21:07 AM »
Want red phosphorus? OMG what am I going to do?! Steal some? Risk tricking a source to send me some? Spend 3 years cutting millions of matches? How about just go cook some of your piss. Yep, letting your urine sit for a week then mixing with cinnamon and charcoal then distilling the vapor into water will make white phosphorous and from there you can either heat in oven or expose to sun to get red phosphorus.

I'm afraid it's a bit more involved then that. First concern would be toxicity and ignition of the white phosphorus vapors produced. In the late 17th century when it was first produced on a commercial basis, this was the cause of many accidents. I recommend reading the book "The 13th Element: The Sordid Tale of Murder, Fire, and Phosphorus" for an in-depth historical account of the synthesis of phosphorus.

Also, contrary to what the original alchemists thought, there is no need for fermenting the urine. Don't know why you want to add cinnamon either, other than covering the stench of boiling (fermented) urine. Phosphate fertilizer would be a more realistic option anyway, except if you want to collect gallons and gallons of urine like the poor inventors did (at one point they even distilled the contents of the cess pit, thinking shit might also provide a good yield, there sure was a preoccupation with bodily waste products in those days).
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Re: Everything is so easy to make
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2012, 06:22:06 PM »
I have made small amounts using  Sodium meta-phosphate and various reducing agents. Mostly just playing around but I can assure you its not as easy as you try to make it out to be. Reaching the reaction temperature is much harder then it seems when you are encasing the reactants in any vessel.

Its possible but only on a large scale is isolation of the formed phosphorus which is the key problem in any way practical.
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