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Chloroacetone
« on: August 11, 2009, 10:42:53 AM »
How does one make there own chloroacetone? Well there are many ways, personally i just like to bubble chlorine gas through a solution of acetone, and watch as the solution turns cloudy, and it reacts, but i am uncertain as to the efficiency of this method, or how to test just exactly hot diluted my solution is, i wonder if chloroacetone can be isolated with a bisulfite addition product?? After all, it's just a chlorinated ketone, does the bisulfite molecule cling to a chlorinated ketone like it does to an ordinary ketone i wonder?? If not, then a reasonably simple chloroacetone purification could be done by adding the solution to a bisulfite mixture, and discarding the crystals that form, being left with a reasonably pure chloroacetone product.

Either way, feel free to post ways that will lead to Chloroacetone, whatever they may be.

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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 03:41:01 PM »
Hmmm, what do you use your chloroacetone for? Also, is it worth the lachrymatory effects?

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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 03:44:53 PM »
Nevermind, just read the aluminum chloride thread haha. So back to my last question, is the low yeild worth the lachrymatory effects?

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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2009, 05:57:25 PM »
I Always wear a gas mask, soviet style, when i make chloroacetone, so i have yet not determined the lachrymatory potency of the stuff i have made.. I'm not too sure i wan't to either, given the reports i have read, i just make it, then pour it into a glass container, an amber bottle, once i have done so, with my gas mask on, but maybe i should try and give it a whiff without the gas mask, to see how potent it really is.

That being said, i am told that making chloroacetone that way results in a very diluted product, i know that it doesn't form 100% monochloroacetone, but i am pretty certain that most of the chloroacetone formed is mono rather than poly. Who knows?? I Guess i'll just have to wait and see, i need to find a method to determine the purity of my chloroacetone though, that way i can be sure it's going to work properly when i feed it into the Friedel-crafts with Benzene and Aluminium chloride.

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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 01:02:55 AM »

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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2009, 06:27:19 PM »
no wonder you guys are always blowing yourselves up chloroacetone? darwin award comes to mind.

well shit just for laughs if it turns yellow stop bubbling in cl2
reason:
hypoclorites are forming and kabloom.
i should'nt have told you that it would have been intersting to watch the news report.

why you wanna dick with that anyhoo?
twat about benzene and acetone free redical rxn wit mnIII(oac)?
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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2009, 10:51:00 PM »
Hypochlorites? Can you explain this reaction mechanism Jon because I don't see how radical chlorination of acetone could possibly result in the production of hypochlorites. In an alkaline enviroment it could be possible I guess but there is no chance of alkalinity here due to the fact that HCl is a by product of the Radical chlorination.
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Syntheses of Chloroacetone via base catalyzed chlorination
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 01:04:15 AM »
Chloroacetone should be stabilized with calcium carbonate as said in Erowid, and the yield of the simple chlorination goes up greatly when done in the presence of that compound  ;) For more details see Ber 26 597-8; Ann 279 310-19; Bull soc chim 33 322-4 & Ann chim 5 474-80  8) While chloroacetone isn't as deadly as many think it's certainly not a good idea for a novice chemist to attempt  :P
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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2009, 04:02:20 PM »
hypocholrous acid in fact and the yellow color indicates thier formation forming dmco2 dimethyldioxizarine is dicey, hence the warning.
does that explain? jon is college dropout but he can figue this shit out maybe he should work in respectable lab as assistant, let them see me shine and get promoted.

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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2009, 11:40:32 AM »
Acetone chlorination is not radical, in fact it is having a mechanism of electrophillic halogenation of alkenes. Acetone-enol equilibrium is producing CH2=C(OH)-CH3 species rapidly, and they react with Cl2, hypochlorites etc. Yellow colour is probably because HOCl formed is dehydrated to Cl2O in highly acidic medium because HCl is a byproduct. It  is necessary to destroy HCl while it is formed (CaCO3), otherwise it leads to polymerisation of chloroacetone.  You can also use bleach, but avoid using basic conditions - mechanism changes a bit and chlorination occurs faster if the position is already having a halogen substituent, that results in chloroform as a main product, so use a slightly acidic pH,  mechanism would be favorable for monohalogenation then.


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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2009, 03:28:53 PM »
just know if it turns yellow goes ruaway and boom! no shit.
have fun with chloinated ketones alpha carbonyl substitution huh?

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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2009, 05:56:12 PM »
really? very interesting.. does it really explode, or it is like a vigourous exothermic reaction? I've read that chloroacetone if stored without stbilizing can form an explosive sludge. What could be its content i wonder. What do you mean by "have fun with chloinated ketones alpha carbonyl substitution huh"..? You will have to deal with this kind substitution if you want methcathinones/pyrovalerones, and bromopropiophenones are lachrymators as well.
Btw, i mistaked, Cl2O and HOCl need H2O to be formed, and both would rapidly react with acetone. Yellow colour can also result from acidic condensations of acetone (for example, phorone is green-yellow) that is more likely.
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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2009, 06:11:11 PM »
see i was right again dimethyldioxzirane and kabloom!

*Btw, i mistaked, Cl2O and HOCl need H2O to be formed, and both would rapidly react with acetone. Yellow colour can also result from acidic condensations of acetone (for example, phorone is green-yellow) that is more likely.*

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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2009, 06:50:10 PM »
dimethyldioxirane? it can not be formed in chlorination reaction
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Re: Chloroacetone
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2009, 08:10:53 PM »
why not?

hyopchlorites acetone same with persulfates and even h202.
is this a pissing contest?
maybe so? they might get decomped in acidic soln. lemme check
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