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zgoat65

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First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« on: January 13, 2013, 12:19:23 AM »
Okay, so this guy i know (lets call him joe) has some sassy oil on the way.  He's been looking at different routes to either MDA or MDMA (mostly MDMA).  So far, Chromic's oxone route seems like the easiest to source, but is kinda low yielding.  Joe's #2 choice would be the buffered performic.  Seems like it is higher yielding, but formic acid seems almost out of reach as far as sourcing goes.  "Jon's Route" sounds like the most high yielding, and joe has everything required to do this, but it seems like the learning curve on that one is a little steep, and joe doesn't have THAT much sassy oil coming to play around with.  he only has a half liter to work with so he wants some advice on which route is the most forgiving, and what scale he should start with so that he can keep the ball rolling, so to speak.
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Re: First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2013, 04:58:32 AM »
Perhaps joe should read:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/peracetic.chromic.html

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Re: First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2013, 07:28:59 PM »
Thanks lugh!  i have read that before, but it totally slipped my mind as most here and elsewhere are doing the buffered performic these days.  Or at least that's what they are posting about.  Thanks again.  Joe has decided that this is how he will go. 
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Re: First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2013, 11:07:10 PM »
PIHKAL - MDMA #109, pg 320, 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone.

To a well stirred solution of 34 g of 30% hydrogen peroxide in 150 g 80% formic acid there was added, dropwise, a solution of 32.4 g isosafrole in 120 mL acetone at a rate that kept the reaction mixture from exceeding 40 C. This required a bit over 1 h, and external cooling was used as necessary. Stirring was continued for 16 h, and care was taken that the slow exothermic reaction did not cause excess heating. An external bath with running water worked well. During this time the solution progressed from an orange color to a deep red. All volatile components were removed under vacuum which yielded some 60 g of a very deep red residue. This was dissolved in 60 mL of MeOH, treated with 360 mL of 15% H2SO4, and heated for 3 h on the steam bath. After cooling, the reaction mixture was extracted with 375 mL EtO2, the pooled extracts washed first with H2O and then with dilute NaOH, and the solvent removed under vacuum The residue was distilled (at 2.0 mm/108-112 C, or at about 160 C at the water pump) to provide 20.6 g of 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone as a pale yellow oil. The oxime (from hydroxylamine) had a mp of 85-88 C. The semicarbazone had a mp of 162-163 C.
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Re: First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2013, 11:20:17 PM »
Thanks WizX!  Which goes back to my question regarding formic acid.  Do bees/wasps source this or synth it?  unless a good source/synth is found, joe is pretty set on the peracetic route.  Once the first batch of product is obtained, joe wants to play with other routes (mainly the buffered performic and jon's route through bromosafrole).  i will post joe's progress/hangups/results throughout the processes.  If problems occur, i'm sure that you all will help joe.  Thanks go out to Lugh and Wizx for all yer help.  Joe is certain that succeas is within sight.
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2013, 04:38:11 AM »
The primary reason for pointing out Chromic's old post from the Hive was that even then when sassafrass oil was easily available in two hundred liter drums that he tried the reactions with far cheaper anethole first   ;)  Nowadays after the New World Order Gestapo have made obtaining such things almost impossible, one might want to employ the same methods since it's easily done as opposed to wasting almost priceless precursors  :-X  There are numerous articles that you would find helpful on Rhodium, one that isn't:

A Modified Peracid Process for Making Epoxy Compounds from Unsaturated Fatty Acid Esters

Ralph J. Gall , Frank P. Greenspan
Ind. Eng. Chem., 1955, 47 (1), pp 147–148
DOI: 10.1021/ie50541a045
Publication Date: January 1955

is attached :P  The end results from the effort applied  8)
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Re: First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2013, 12:57:09 PM »
this hive post may be helpful :

h**p://search.mdma.ch/000250788.html
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Re: First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 12:14:15 AM »
Thanks WizX!  Which goes back to my question regarding formic acid.  Do bees/wasps source this or synth it?  unless a good source/synth is found, joe is pretty set on the peracetic route.  Once the first batch of product is obtained, joe wants to play with other routes (mainly the buffered performic and jon's route through bromosafrole).  i will post joe's progress/hangups/results throughout the processes.  If problems occur, i'm sure that you all will help joe.  Thanks go out to Lugh and Wizx for all yer help.  Joe is certain that succeas is within sight.

If you can't source Formic acid (also called methanoic acid)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formic_acid#Uses  which is very unlikely, then synthesis is easy.

In the laboratory, formic acid can be obtained by heating oxalic acid in glycerol and extraction by steam distillation.[10] Glycerol acts as a catalyst, as the reaction proceeds through a glyceryl oxalate intermediary. If the reaction mixture is heated to higher temperatures, allyl alcohol results. The net reaction is thus: C2O4H2 => CO2H2 + CO2

OR...

Hydrolysis of the methyl formate produces formic acid:

HCO2CH3 + H2O => HCO2H + CH3OH

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Re: First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2013, 01:14:09 PM »
Bee keepers use Formic  acid. Or at least they used to and it was easy as hell to source. I'm long retired (getting busted will do that to a guy) but when starting out I found the benzoquinone wackier the easiest and most forgiving. And that shit should still be easy as hell to source.

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Re: First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2013, 04:29:14 AM »
Got the formic under control now.  Waiting on sassy to stop by.  The waiting is the hardest part......
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Re: First time MDMA synth..........advice?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2013, 11:39:43 AM »
Methyl man has a good writeup with NaBH4, clean and easy. Didn't do it much diffirent then that.

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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2013, 03:46:07 PM »
If youre working small scale MM's Al/Hg Redeuction is good to use along with KzR's oxidation. Im not sure where you are but easy as hell to source everything needed in the US

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2013, 05:47:30 PM »
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Don't, because that would be illegal.

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2013, 08:44:14 PM »
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Don't, because that would be illegal.

Nahh all good, go ahead bro. REALLY ;)