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Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« on: August 12, 2009, 06:05:51 PM »
I know there is a thread over on WD about the most expensive substance (anti-matter at $62.5 trillion a gram), but I'm concerned with just the most expensive illegal drug (mainly the main popular ones). I started thinking about it when I started to look more into MDA and MDMA synthesis instead of meth. It occurred to me that an X pill retails at anywhere from $20 to $45. Since the amount in a pill has dropped over the years from 100mg to 70mg I will just go with the $40 a pill price and assume 100mg. That's $400 a gram or $181,200 a POUND! That's fucking insane for a drug with lighter sentences then meth, heroin, or coke. Is that the king using retail numbers? I always thought it was heroin then coke then meth then X then hydro weed.

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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2009, 06:20:18 PM »
I would have to say by far LSD. Your looking at 5-10$ per 100micro grams or so. That puts each mg at about $100. THC is insainly expensive to when you put into perspective the small amount thats in each pound of weed.
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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 06:26:06 PM »
Damn. $453,000 a pound for LSD. Now that's some shit. Pure THC (Zero Zero Hash) doesn't come near that I think. The thing about Hash is yeah the THC crystals are small but THC is not just on the buds. Most who make Hash are just using the entire rest of the plant and not even the buds. If you are growing a big sativa there can be a whole lot of leaves and plant material with tons of THC on them.
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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 06:33:42 PM »
If you figure 100mcg doses, then LSD is one of the most valuable compounds ever. .1mg doses equates to 10,000 doses per gram, and 10,000,000 doses per kg putting the retail price for a kg of LSD around $100,000,000.

When it comes to more synthesizable psychedelic substances, I think that DOx and 2C-x drugs probably have the highest dose unit / kg. DOB is commonly dosed around 1mg, so that puts it at 1,000,000 doses/kg and $10,000,000. 2C-B is probably around 12mg per dose, putting it at around 83,000 doses per kg.

There are some super potent opiates out there which can be marketed as heroin when cut. For example, 3-methylfentanyl has a potency on the level of LSD.
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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 06:56:13 PM »
I am going to say it could be etorphine, sold as heroin, that is if it has recreational properties.

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Etorphine (Immobilon or M99) is a semi-synthetic opioid possessing an analgesic potency approximately 1,000-3,000 times that of morphine depending on the situation.[1] It was first prepared in 1960 from oripavine, which does not generally occur in opium poppy extract but rather in "poppy straw" and in related plants, Papaver orientale and Papaver bracteatum.[2]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etorphine

also of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydroetorphine


Edit: I take that back, whatever drug that is an analogue of etorphine, but is an isopentyl derivative, according to this wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oripavine
it claims that it is 9200 the analgesic properties of morphine, I'd bet that would come with potential for addiction as well, since I figure it works essentially the same way.
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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2009, 07:32:39 PM »
Quote from: heisenberg on August 12, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
If you figure 100mcg doses, then LSD is one of the most valuable compounds ever. .1mg doses equates to 10,000 doses per gram, and 10,000,000 doses per kg putting the retail price for a kg of LSD around $100,000,000.

Theres 10,000 mg in a gram in your country?
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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2009, 07:35:06 PM »
Quote from: Sedit on August 12, 2009, 07:32:39 PM
Theres 10,000 mg in a gram in your country?

1000 * 10 * .1mg.

.1mg being equivalent to 100mcg.
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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2009, 07:36:53 PM »
LOL sorry I didn't see the decimal point I thought it was a period ;D.
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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2009, 03:46:02 AM »
Well I believe Opiod wise Carfentanil takes the gold at ~10,000 time more powerful then morphine though at such high levels be terrible hard to accurately estimate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil

Another possibility
"3-Methylfentanyl is one of the most potent drugs that has been widely sold on the black market, estimated to be between 400-6000 times stronger than morphine"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-methylfentanyl

I think 3-Methylfentanyl would be a better option because it doesn't need that thebaine to start it off, though niether does carfentanil. Properly cut uber opiods would take home the gold but as far as a pure substance acid all the way.

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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2009, 01:00:32 PM »
It occurred to me that an X pill retails at anywhere from $20 to $45

where you from man?
i want to move there?
damn dude seriously?
here i could get an x  pill for $7
or just chemist it up myself.

It was first prepared in 1960 from oripavine, which does not generally occur in opium poppy extract but rather in "poppy straw" and in related plants, Papaver orientale and Papaver bracteatum.[2]

and this is erroneous

it's prepared from thebaine thebaine is reacted with arecolien to form the diene addition product diels alder reaction, this is reacted with grignard reagent to make theorvinol
and this demethyled with hydrogen bromide at room temp in acetic acid since heating this would produce acid catalyzed rearrangement products.
in reality there's no fucking way you can safely titurate stuff on the order of 1000X the potency or greater than that of morphine it would simply kill everone.

on a related note codienone can be converted to 14-ethylcodienone i think this is done by claisen eschenmoser reaction this is 10,000 X the potency of morphine.
now i'd love to see someone attempt that!
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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2009, 06:55:42 PM »
Quote from: jon on September 06, 2009, 01:00:32 PM
It occurred to me that an X pill retails at anywhere from $20 to $45

where you from man?
i want to move there?
damn dude seriously?
here i could get an x  pill for $7
or just chemist it up myself.


Sorry but I don't also live in Amsterdam. I live in the US. An X pill, or even MDA, goes anywhere from $20 to $45 retail here. And there is not much of it around so you will find the upper limit being the one exercised recently. And chemist it up yourself? With what? I'd be interested to know how you'd get your sassafras oil.

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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 06:55:45 AM »
Quote from: German on September 06, 2009, 06:55:42 PM
Sorry but I don't also live in Amsterdam. I live in the US. An X pill, or even MDA, goes anywhere from $20 to $45 retail here. And there is not much of it around so you will find the upper limit being the one exercised recently. And chemist it up yourself? With what? I'd be interested to know how you'd get your sassafras oil.

Actually, where I live in the US, $20 is the threshold for an X pill, and it better be damn good or you'll get your ass beat.  Oddly enough, there is quite a bit of it around.  Sassafras is available to some people, but I'm sure those who have it are not willing to disclose their source.

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Re: Most expensive illegal narcotic?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 07:58:56 AM »
Sassafras is available to some people, but I'm sure those who have it are not willing to disclose their source.

better believe it swij let a few choice friends in on the game and they  dryed it up.
sassafras is available though think b2b websites.
you might  stumble on something a lot of times one needs to pay a little more to get them to lie to customs they'll do it though.
the real bitch is those minimum orders of 100 kg.
ca'nt sneak that in.
oh you better be squeaky clean too.
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