Author Topic: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's (Read 837 times)

jon · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2009, 04:31:13 AM »

i don't see why it can't be stirred it is a homogeneous reaction after all.
yeah it looks hard to screw up i had the procedure page too i'll see if i can find it again.
codeinone is ridiculously easy to make as well and the final step an esterification is one of the easiest reactions to perform in organic chemistry.
hmmm that's not a bad idea maybe just an aquarium bubbler would agitate it enough.
this is definitely worth trying.
the procedure paper gives workup details it's a breeze too just basify and extract.

2bfrank · « **Reply #21 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:53:27 AM »

I agree, It looks very easy..Great paper, The land of nod, been awhile too..

jon · « **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2009, 06:05:01 AM »

i think i read somewhere that codeinone is made by simply stirring a chloroform solution of codeine containg 5-10 equivalents of mno2 for 30 min and yeilds are 90%.
speaking of nodding swij remembers one time nodding so hard sitting at the computer desk that his head went smack down on it.
pretty funny now that he remembers it.

2bfrank · « **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2009, 06:14:50 AM »

Ive heard the same if not quantitive with the MnO2, perhaps some turning into the target along the way.. Not going from Pods, and trying this with codiene, my friend who is experimenting, said the only drama really seems to seperate that from the fillers,and the paracetamol. hell be looking into this.. perhaps get some data on typical fillers, paracetamol, shouldn't be to hard...

jon · « **Reply #24 on:** September 12, 2009, 06:22:18 AM »

you can just extract the paraacetamol with chloroform or any chloinated solvent for example cold water extract the codeine then wash out the paracetamol with chloroform or similar ethylacetate works also.

seeing how swij is under watch, his cock is on lockdown his nuts on the sizzle, for shizzle my nizzle.

really like to see this performed just to verify the research.

2bfrank · « **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2009, 07:43:06 AM »

Me too, Ill pass it on, as the chemistry involved is of interest. I'd like to hear how he goes with this muchly

What a coincidence, he just contacted me, and mention plain old toluene.. cleaned up of course, any thoughts?? Actually >amount of DCM would be better I'd imagine, its been mentioned ha.

jon · « **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:05:55 AM »

tell him to use brake cleaner fluid tce it's very similar to chloroform
anychlorinated solvent is easier to work with because they are more volatile and evaporate more easily not to mention the superior solvent characteristics of this on phenanthrene alkaloids.

2bfrank · « **Reply #27 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:39:28 AM »

Quote from: jon on September 12, 2009, 08:05:55 AM

tell him to use brake cleaner fluid tce it's very similar to chloroform
anychlorinated solvent is easier to work with because they are more volatile and evaporate more easily not to mention the superior solvent characteristics of this on phenanthrene alkaloids.

never heard of that, but will look at it, DCM would be easier, but will make the effort for this, he will.

jon · « **Reply #28 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:53:10 AM »

if you can get pure dcm use this it's easier to evaporate.
swij uses these solvents on morphine and heroin he's pretty damn sure they work on the codeines just the same.
believe swij when he says he'll be more than happy to assist here he's been onto this scheme since '05 and wants to see it through to the end.

2bfrank · « **Reply #29 on:** September 13, 2009, 04:47:11 AM »

Drums of it, and of course cleaned up he rechons,, hey get this, you may not remember, or know, but its a really old fashioned meat mincers, where you screw it on a table, and put the meat in, and can turn a dial somewhat to adjust the size of the mince, and turn it by hand.. Antique I suppose, (caste Iron) well this pyro salt, from the NaHSO4, is rock fucking solid, so not having a ballmill, and remembering this contraption well, it just so happens that it powders this about 30%, and then if you load the bigger 70% etc, etc, so what a fucking find... So look out for meat mincers in the second hand stores, perhaps antique, coz it works, and beats beating the thing where you going add bits what not.

jon · « **Reply #30 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:01:48 AM »

you have to pulverize it in a mortar and pestle or in a plastic bag by means of an iron skillet or similar blugeoning device.
then you can throw it into a coffe grinder it takes a long time to grind.
mixup with equimolar calcium propionate and regrind heat in grolsh bottle and distill by means of high temp tubing and ductape if you lack equipment this works fine.

2bfrank · « **Reply #31 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:29:29 AM »

been meaning to ask. WTF is a grolish bottle.anyway some dude said "1 mole of the pyrosulfate is mixed finely with 1 mole calcium propinate groud finely - at this point you can smell the anhydride.
heat this between 100-140 C for 1 hour and distill the mess at 172 C you got it." or words to that effect. so it seems pretty well unfuckable.. Equipment is not an issue for this friend.. But I dare say it would not be so healthy for a flask, and perhaps just hooking this up to a bottle as youve stated.. Did your friend actually use a solvent at 172 C, or a free flame used.?

jon · « **Reply #32 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:36:37 AM »

no glass tolerates this just fine.
it distills at 172 but really you need oil bath temperatures of 190 it comes over real slow.
a grolsh bottle is basically a sealed beer bottle it's good for heating mixtures because it does'nt allow any escape alternately one can heat under reflux.

2bfrank · « **Reply #33 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:52:48 AM »

Little short path air condenser sounds the go here.(to bring this over). Just use a high bp oil, I think my friend has some oil for an old air compressor he was playing around with etc... There's lots of high bp anyways, so it looks easy..

heres that paper you linked, links go dead, so for the sake of others who are into the chemistry of it all etc.
its attached. dont think Ive already done it, cant see it, oh well.

one other thing, wtf do you do with FeNO3, only small amount, and it not crystalizing.. HE tried making it less super concentrated, added some crystals to make an edge, and still not. its for loading clay exp, and may not really matter, as weight can be calculated as is, but it should turn into a fucking salt. had ever had this??

jon · « **Reply #34 on:** September 13, 2009, 09:04:51 PM »

never tried to crystallize ferric nitrate
look at the solubilit curve for it if it's sharp one can calculate it's solubility in boiling water and use exactly that amount of boiling h2o to dissolve cool to crystallize

simply RED · « **Reply #35 on:** September 21, 2009, 09:39:50 AM »

I could not understand the alcohol extraction process.

So:

1. Extraction of poppy straws and buds with hot water (as you make poppy tea). This may be done 2 times to enhance the yield. Best to extract grounded material with 90 degrees water for 10 mins with extreme stirring.
2. Evaporation of the water extract under vacuum yields tar.

3?. Extract the tar with Isopropyl Alcohol (hot or warm? what temp?). So, the IPA dissolves the alcalloids, leaving the other parts of the tar undissoleved so they could be filtered? Or the alcohol dissolves the other parts of the tar leaving the alcalloids undissolved?
4? Evaporate the alcohol to get the concentrated extract with 20% morphine in it? Or evaporate the alcohol from the material collected on the filter?

jon · « **Reply #36 on:** September 23, 2009, 04:56:14 PM »

90 c will kill the alkaloids
extract twice in warm water 70 c with stirring
strain do this again don't bother filtering.
you can let this sit in the fridge a day and most of the crud settles out.
vacum evaporate don't jus evap at 100 c or you'll destroy the morphine.
extract the pod putty with hot ipa and decant do this until ipa yeilds no more color.
no need to filter.
evaporate.
if you want to inject basify this in ammonia add salt and extract with chloroform or the like.
evap this and acylate this won't turn your veins to shit.
the based stuff is real potent close to 100 percent it'll knock you clean out.
swij has the itches andtook a bath and woke up 3 hours later damn if he did'nt drown be careful!

simply RED · « **Reply #37 on:** September 25, 2009, 04:57:06 AM »

May you describe better the part of IPA extraction.

So, you have the putty left after the vacuum evaporation. Then you add to it IPA and stirr? The impurities are dissolved by the IPA and the alcalloids are not dissolved by the IPA, right? Then you wait for the alcalloids to settle in the bottom and you decant the IPA and throw it away (or redistill). Repeat this until the IPA is no more stained by the putty.
Then you have left with the precipitate of alcalloids.

Did I understand right?

2bfrank · « **Reply #38 on:** September 25, 2009, 10:17:27 AM »

just checked this out, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipropanoylmorphine and yes Jon, trickle trickle, and works like a charm...

and yeah, I know this is not what we are looking at exactly, but thought it interesting..

2bfrank · « **Reply #39 on:** October 02, 2009, 03:27:18 PM »

Just one more quick question, say one has obtained the coffee colored sypery mix that conatians morphine, and also extracted with IPA, let evaporate, and left with the coffee colored resins, etc, so are you supposed to add aprox 10:1 molar amount of the anhydride" alkaloid, and pending how much alikaloid, perhaps add a small amount of sodium acetate to buffer.This is a tester, small scale, and the syrpy coffee colored, alkaloid post ectraction, has been mixed with a slight excess of the anydride, as well as a amall amount of NaOCH2CH3, but overall the mix is still very dense, it is now sitting in a small falsk in a heated water bath...So Jon, can you clue me up if I am doing something not right here,, the solution in the flask, I have set to reflux, and due to its density, it isn't doing much at al. Should I add a small amount of acetone or dcm perhaps to lower the boiling point and help the reaction alsong....

thanks for any help

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