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6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« on: September 06, 2009, 05:20:25 AM »
6Mono Prpyln Ester Morpines from Pod By Jon @ WD's

this was made the same way as the acetyl ester. it's definitely good
it's a coffe colored tar.
first the poppy straw was ground in a coffee grinder.
extracted with water and vacum filtered.
this evaporated in vacuo and reacted with propionic acid using sodium acetate as catalyst.
in retrospect it would be better to extract the crude extract with hot alcohol and vacum filter until the alcohol gives no more color.
the acid was filtered after 8 hours at 100 C filtered hot under vacum the plant crud was rinsed in hot alsohol and this filtered until no more color this evaporated in vacuo here the acid tends to bump and ceramic chips have to be used as boiling stones.
the crude tar was extraced again with alcohol (hot alcohol) to free it of catalyst. and this evaporated.
bioassy prooves this is definitely potent stuff.
it could be further purified by basing with ammonia collecting the alkaloids that crash out and forming the salt acetic acid would be preferred because you can simply boil off any excess to get a purer form of (i can't say it's heroin) mono propyl ester of morphine.
if one intends to inject this is a must becase the plant tars aren't very good for injection.
when freebasing it's best to salt out the alkaloids some papers indicate that calcium chloride is the best salt to use.
often no precipitate forms unless salt is added.
chloroform or dcm can be used as extraction solvents to recover any bases from the ammonia solution and the filterates.
this stuff really has legs swij's been rocking for the last 8 hours and it feels full blown.

 
swij decided to quit fucking around and play like the big boys propionic anhydride is easily made in this case calcium proionate 1 mol is mixed with na2s207 sodium pyrosulfate intimately mixed and reacted at 140 C for two hours and distilled at 172C.
results:
propionic anhydride is distilling.

 
just mix nas207 (sodium pyrosulate) with calcium proionate (any salt will do) even the ammonium salt or the sodium salt it does'nt matter.
heat it to 100-140 C in a grolsh beer bottle for 2 hours.
distill the propionic anhydride swij gets about 50%
the nas2o7 is made by taking a cast iron skillet covering it with a thin layer of sodium hydrogen sulfate (pool ph -) then, heat this directly on a charcol fire, you'll know when finished becasue it gives of wate rand it will no longer appear molten.
so son't fuss with the acid just do it right the first time!!!
pm me if you need help.
the two have to be intimately mixed in a blender for this to work.
propionic acid give 63 yeilds at best.
and that's with a 20+ hour rxn time.
calcium ppropionate is not wated it's a food preservative and it's found at our favorite auction site for around 1$/lb.

 
oh a few pointers after the water extraction and vac fitration. evaporate on vacuo.
use hot acohol and vacunm filter.
this is the real trade secret:
once evaporated rinse with cool alcohol allow to setlle and filter this, this will concentrate the tar about 10 times more so the morphine content from this is around 20%.

 
it looks like ipa is the clear winner for getting the plant matter about 100 times more concentrated.
it does'nt keep particulate matter in suspension it has to be done while hot the ipa is best if completely dry.
serturner's method could be applied to the results.
and propionic anhydride gives the very best smack.
this was made like so:
nahso4 is heated over a bed of charcoal in an iron skillet it gets molten and then solidifies.
this is ground up finely this is na2s2o7.
1 mole is mixed finely with 1 mole calcium propinate groud finely (at this point you can smell the anhydride.
heat this between 100-140 C for 1 hour and distill the mess at 172 C you got it.
the contents of the flask can be regrind and distilled further yeilds are very good.

« Last Edit: September 06, 2009, 07:01:23 AM by DaMoose »

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2009, 05:59:13 AM »
Check ya spelling brother but other then that its great to see confirmation of Jon's route. I was quite interested even though opiate chemist is not my thing. I would greatly like if Jon graced us with his presence as well. Was the Bioassay as pleasent as the synthesis?

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2009, 06:26:07 AM »
No make no mistake here

This Moose hasn't attempeted this route yet
we're on a plane in 2 weeeks to fly south and east.. Moose Migration!

But when we get where we are going, we will still have enouugh funds coming to allow step by step replication of the following:

A.
fisrt attempts wil be at the 6mono-PropinylMorphinate via a crude
extract with hot alcohol.. using Sodium sodium acetate as a catalys.

B then later
more refined attempts and post's
on making and using propionic anhydride

No good work done yet
Just trying to get Jon abord this ship...  I'll go PM him right now !
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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2009, 08:16:54 AM »
okay to clarify things a little.
forego using propionic acid it's difficult to evaporate from the crude base or extract.
propionic anhydride is best.
it evaporates cleanly it could be evaped using a hairdryer if one were in a pinch or under vacum it does'nt bump either.
also skip vacum filtering the water extracts a real waste of time.
it tends to clog filter papers and is'nt nessecary.
use ipa anhydrous to extract the pod putty from the water extraction.
this can be acylated morphine content is 15-35%
it's about 100th the weight of the poppy straw.
or the alcohol extract can be freebased with ammonia, salt added and this extracted into any chlorinated solvent then evaporated and acylated.
the reason serturner's method is'nt applied is because it lends itself to mechanical losses, but it will work on the ipa extract.
the ipa does'nt carry any of the particulate matter while ethanol tends to keep this in suspension.
when distilling the anhydrides it will slow to crawl the contents of the distillation flask can be dumped out more like laboriously scraped out of the flask reground and distilled further to get even more.
be damn sure to get all that anhydride out of the end product it will burn like crazy.
anhydrides also burn the crap out of skin so careful.
propionc acid is best if reacted at least 20 hours don't even bother with propionic acid yeilds are'nt satisfactory.

oh and the bioassay from using propionic anhydride= pure heaven
« Last Edit: September 06, 2009, 08:28:30 AM by jon »

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2009, 04:12:22 AM »

 hey matey are you saying that you can use propionic anhydride to acetylate morphines and it works as well as acetic anhydride?
 hey ho!!!
 i havent seen anything similar but if this is the case...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...results of my syntheses are about to go ballistic

 shall keep you posted
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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »
propionic anhydride to acetylate morphines

Not acetylate, but propionylate, right?
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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2009, 05:44:42 AM »
propionic anhydride to acetylate morphines

Not acetylate, but propionylate, right?

Correct, but as a side note, the propionylated vs. acetylated should have no real pharmacological differences as far as effects.  Slight differences, if anything.  If heroin is taken orally, it is metabolized into morphine.  If injected, it is deacetylated into acetalmorphine and morphine.  I assume results would be similar with dipropionyl morphine.  I don't know much about opioid chemistry, so correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2009, 12:02:22 AM »
I was thinking it might pass the BBB more easily, if anything but then just get deacylated as does diacetylmorphine.
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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2009, 05:49:44 AM »
This works for 14hydroxycodiene too ha. Would you just react this with the anhydride in question with some of the sodium acetate as mentioned, Say if you had 5g of the codiene derivative, how much anhydride would one react, and how much of the acetate. Dont mean to steer this to far away, but I aint got acess to pods, and ive got a fucked up knee, and plus, I Like to nod abit, and not have to pay bucks for it. Plus it would time out my knee somewhat...also if anyone can help me out  here, can I base extract codiene with toluene-pH at around 11, but ill make sure, and just not heat to remove, or is CHCl3, and its just slightly polar aspect required???


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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2009, 06:13:55 AM »
Correct, but as a side note, the propionylated vs. acetylated should have no real pharmacological differences as far as effects.  Slight differences, if anything.  If heroin is taken orally, it is metabolized into morphine.  If injected, it is deacetylated into acetalmorphine and morphine.  I assume results would be similar with dipropionyl morphine.  I don't know much about opioid chemistry, so correct me if I'm wrong.
 
there are some subtle differences between this and heroin onset is a weebit slower it's 50% more potent than actual heroin so it really makes the morphine go a long ass way not to mention it lasts twice as long as heroin it's like a 10-12 heroin buzz really spacey.
and to answer your question 2bfrank
yes one can use sodium acetate as a buffer against the propionic acid that produced during this reaction but if one uses a large volume say 10 parts by weight of the anhydride it's really not nessecary because it's concentration is too low to hinder acylation.
and of course 14-hydroxy codeinone can be acylated this way.
the product would be 18x the potency of morphine nothing to sniff at.
14-hydroxycodeinone is prepared easily by reaction with 20 equivalents of activated manganese dioxide but not just any manganese dioxide will do the article specifically states they used manganese dioxide prepared by henbest, jones, and owen in another article not the commonly used mno2 prepared according to attenburrow.
henbest, owen and jones used mno2 to oxidize retinene to 7-oxo and 7-hydroxy retinine i'm sure i could find out how this particular mno2 is made.
this is distinct from the commonly used attenburrow mno2 because this kind reputedly oxidzes only allylic alcohols but this is really a matter of interpretation.
a shaker would be needed probably because it's difficult to stir magnetically or you achieve the best contact between the heterogenoeus reagent and the substrate .
mno2 oxidations typically use between 5-50 equivalents by weight of mno2 because of the variable activity of mno2.
so as an example 1 gram codeine base 100 ml chloroform and 20 grams mno2(this is variable it's probably best to use 30 equivalents or more as an excess would ensure you get direct allylic oxidation and nothing bad would happen)
would be shaken at room temp for 24 hours this filtered extracted with *hot* chlorinated solvent and with methanol to ensure everything is freed from the mno2.
this can be evaporated in vacuo and the resultant base recrystallized from ethyl acetate in this example .48 g of residue obtained and .3 g recrystallized from it.

swij will conduct the expiriment using commercially available mno2
as soon as he feels he's not being watched by one of those spooky three letter agencies.
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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2009, 06:18:18 AM »
ohh and the acylation of 14-hydroxycodeinone going from memory the example used like 10-1 parts by weight of propionic anhydride under steam bath for 1 hour from 2 grams of 14-hydroxy u know what.
it yeilded 1.7 grams of some really good shit shame they tested it on mice i'd be more than willing :P
not too shabby ehh?
probably 3 hours is better this is standard for tertiary alcohols.

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2009, 06:56:21 AM »
Lone R's vers goes acetic>dichromate etc, and I assumed the activated MnO2 would create codienone, and a small amount of 14OH-, but Ill very much look into this. Also he was looking into reducing the double bond, but, forming the ester from 14hydroxycodiene, without it being reduced would be better I heard. I got to get my head around this opiate chem some more. How complex is this other method of MnO2 activation? Also my mate tried extracting codiene, with only Paracetamol(HA), and he perhaps went about it bad. He added water, chilled removed the solid(repeated even), based to about 10, with NaHCO3 and just carbonat, and then added toluene(DONT ASK) and he shook, and before settled added NaOH, to get the pH up to 12. Extracted 5 times 50ml, and got aprox 40% of theoritical and is a brown powder that he hasnt' recrystablised. He cant be fucked with chloroform, but sometimes laziness just aint on. So it looks like bleach and acetone needs to occur here. I dare say extraction of codiene is another issue, and not for this thread. I will work at it more, as he already made the pyro, 2 days ago, and is somewhat eager.  ;D

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2009, 07:05:51 AM »
oxidizing codeine with dichromates is total bullshit.
u know swij spent a whole damn day at the uni library to find this out. boy he had  blue balls!!!
there i said it i could even produce literature that states all you get is unwanted oxidations of the benzylic carbon but if you think it will work try it and report back.
manganese dioxide is made by precipitating mnso4 by adding a solution of kmno4 it's done slowly and with good stirring. to avoid clumping and agglomeration.
activation involves either drying in an oven at a temp below the temperature at which it loses it's water of hydration .
there's a lot more finite detail in regards to technique it's a major pain in the ass.
i think the alternate way of activating this is by azetropic removal of water this is probably what henbest jones and owen did.
but i can't say for sure i'll have to crack some books.
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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2009, 07:16:39 AM »
Hed prefer not to try the dichromate, and will look into this MnO2 as he has Lots of the sulfate, good quality too. Activation I dare say, and really being 100% in all aspects. Too detail. etc. So CHCl3 a must with this extraction thing?

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2009, 07:21:46 AM »
chlorinated solvents it really does'nt matter which one chloroform has more polarity so if one were using tce or dcm one would simple use more.
and if one wants to do this shit right  he's really going to need to thoroughly investigate how henbest, jones, and owen prepared this kind of mno2 to oxidize retinine thier works are referenced on the internet but alas no papers anybody with a jcs account?

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2009, 07:50:06 AM »
Yeah hearing you, will look into this paper, for sure....

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2009, 08:02:32 AM »
hey if you find it post it here it would help us all out.

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2009, 08:27:19 AM »
Sure, but I aint got no access for a month, but I got a friend-hard to get hold of at times who has, and there is always here, if one can get enough detail. doi etc. Youve given me, here, quite abit, so it shouldn't be to difficult..

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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2009, 09:24:15 PM »
you may want to try this it's direct catalytic auotoxidation of codeinone to 14-hydroxycodeinone in 85% yeild no need t oconvert to diene intermediates!
the nas2o3 is there to reduce the hydroxperoxide intermediate ooh- that forms as a result of reaction with molecular oxygen.
all in all very simple in practice .
place catalyst, buffer, reducing agent, and codeinone in solution with oxygenated water and shake at 300 rpm on rotary shaker for a few hours.
they really tried to obfuscate the details but expirimentation should elucidate things more clearly.
have a gander.

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:6Zuhnb5kj1AJ:files.shroomery.org/attachments/8083876-14-HydroxylationofOpiates.pdf+14-hydroxycodeinone&hl=en&gl=us
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Re: 6Momo Propionic Ester Morpines from Pods By Jon @ WD's
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2009, 04:17:16 AM »
85% yields look pretty good. Thanks for that.. Interesting paper. OTC pretty well, albeit the shaker, but considering its around 2 -3 hours, at a quick pre-read, Perhaps just stirring, with molecular oxygen being piped in..to give it a shake up etc. Haven't given it to much thought, but it looks good..