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Paspalic acid...
« on: September 16, 2009, 02:08:03 PM »
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Agent Madhatter
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 10:56:15 PM »
No one has any clue? I know Vesp has read this....No words of wisdom?
Vesp
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 11:40:23 PM »
Go a different path..
Seriously, Paspalic acid might as well just be LSA for what it is worth, you're not going to get it.
Read read and read some more! There is some talk in this place about some.. migraine thing that might work isn't there?
Seriously, Paspalic acid might as well just be LSA for what it is worth, you're not going to get it.
Read read and read some more! There is some talk in this place about some.. migraine thing that might work isn't there?
Agent Madhatter
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 11:46:58 PM »
Yeah, if I wanted to buy about 5000 migraine pills... =/
Its 10mg of Ergotamine per a pill. Plus converting ergotamine isn't the easiest thing either...
Its 10mg of Ergotamine per a pill. Plus converting ergotamine isn't the easiest thing either...
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 12:41:33 AM »
"Go a different path.. "
roflmao!
And migraine pills (cafergot) are like 1mg not 10mg the 10mg is caffiene! The bum pills are like 2mg but still not good. Do not try to buy paspalic acid for the love of god! The sales of paspalic acid and lysergic acid are regulated (your request has to go through the authorities!). They cant just hand over shit like that! you have to provide proof of identity, proper credentials and a license to buy such shit and also a license to store such shit and you will have to be inspected by the authorities to make sure you can lock them down and store them properly. As soon as Joe blow starts inquiring about paspalic acid down at Alpha, the authorities will be called! Your best chance is to muster your shroomery knowledge and try to ferment some from C.Paspali you may find a nice strain that could be shared via tissue culture!!!!(arnt you glad you know mycology and have practiced sterile technique, tissue culturing, innoculation etc,etc.
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/articles/claviceps.paspali.html
roflmao!
And migraine pills (cafergot) are like 1mg not 10mg the 10mg is caffiene! The bum pills are like 2mg but still not good. Do not try to buy paspalic acid for the love of god! The sales of paspalic acid and lysergic acid are regulated (your request has to go through the authorities!). They cant just hand over shit like that! you have to provide proof of identity, proper credentials and a license to buy such shit and also a license to store such shit and you will have to be inspected by the authorities to make sure you can lock them down and store them properly. As soon as Joe blow starts inquiring about paspalic acid down at Alpha, the authorities will be called! Your best chance is to muster your shroomery knowledge and try to ferment some from C.Paspali you may find a nice strain that could be shared via tissue culture!!!!(arnt you glad you know mycology and have practiced sterile technique, tissue culturing, innoculation etc,etc.
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/articles/claviceps.paspali.html
Agent Madhatter
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2009, 12:45:12 AM »
My bad. I meant 1mg.
Ergot just doesn't seem worth it to me. I rather buy pills than grow that shit. Plus, if I'm going to try to buy it, I'm not going to be stupid about it. I'd look into Chinese and russian and other chemical companies. Nothing from america or major.
Ergot just doesn't seem worth it to me. I rather buy pills than grow that shit. Plus, if I'm going to try to buy it, I'm not going to be stupid about it. I'd look into Chinese and russian and other chemical companies. Nothing from america or major.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2009, 04:58:56 AM »
That's a good enough idea, but unfortunately I bet it's regulated to some extent world wide. I hate to keep being a bummer to you, Agent, as we all would like to synthesize the compound at some point. However, it today's standards, you're luck lies within total synthesis and culturing ergot. That, or possibly diverting the chemical (diverting is a professional term for stealing hahaha)
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2009, 02:44:07 PM »
in the past most of the ergotamine came from south africal that's wher pickardt got his 10 kilograms look into it.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2009, 02:45:01 PM »
try bromodragonfly it's equipotent and is'nt as regulated
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2009, 02:55:10 PM »
and in regards to doucherman's statement about the avaiabilty of ergotamine pills.
that's rubbish!
they can be had at most any internet pharrmacy.
i just gave and example @ 104/grams sure it's a lot of work but anything worthwhile is just don't count on an easy supply of fine chemicals and intermediates.
that's rubbish!
they can be had at most any internet pharrmacy.
i just gave and example @ 104/grams sure it's a lot of work but anything worthwhile is just don't count on an easy supply of fine chemicals and intermediates.
Agent Madhatter
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2009, 08:54:32 PM »
The reason I rather use paspalic acid is simple.
Paspalic acid can be isomerized into Lysergic Acid using KOH. No Anhydrous Hydrazine (I'm afraid to use this stuff...) and nothing else.
I haven't looked into Ergotamine -> Lysergic acid, but I know only of the hydrazine way.
As for buying it from Africa, I don't know...If I can buy ergotamine, why don't I just get some paspalic acid?
I just cannot find anyone to sell paspalic acid. I've even asked for custom synthesis of it, but for some reason they don't even reply.
Paspalic acid can be isomerized into Lysergic Acid using KOH. No Anhydrous Hydrazine (I'm afraid to use this stuff...) and nothing else.
I haven't looked into Ergotamine -> Lysergic acid, but I know only of the hydrazine way.
As for buying it from Africa, I don't know...If I can buy ergotamine, why don't I just get some paspalic acid?
I just cannot find anyone to sell paspalic acid. I've even asked for custom synthesis of it, but for some reason they don't even reply.
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2009, 11:59:19 PM »
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I just cannot find anyone to sell paspalic acid. I've even asked for custom synthesis of it, but for some reason they don't even reply.
Wow, that is weird! I wonder why a legitimate company wouldn't want to make a difficult, and an obvious precursor to one of the most famous drugs?
Agent Madhatter
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2009, 01:04:18 AM »
Me neither man, you'd think, drug manufacturers would pay good money for that shit!
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 01:43:08 AM »
Just for the record the link and what I was talking about was Claviceps Paspali that would produce among other things paspalic acid. It sounds like you think I was referring to Claviceps Purpurea that would produce ergot alkaloids.
Agent Madhatter
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2009, 12:06:44 AM »
Man...after searching for a week, I've found nothing on paspalic acid.
Is the only way really by growing claviceps paspali?
Would buy ergotamine be easier?
Is the only way really by growing claviceps paspali?
Would buy ergotamine be easier?
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2009, 12:16:25 AM »
You aren't going to get an ergot like alkaloid by buying it AFAIK. especially not in any decent quantity.
Either synth the Lysergic acid, or grow the fungi. neither an easy reach.
Either synth the Lysergic acid, or grow the fungi. neither an easy reach.
Agent Madhatter
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2009, 12:20:51 AM »
Synth-ing lysergic acid just seems too far for me. I don't understand any of the patent... Nor do I have a steel bomb that can go to 3000 psi (First step.)
I believe pickard bought his, why can't I buy mine? (This is the mindset everyone should have =P)
I'll look into growing the fungi..
I believe pickard bought his, why can't I buy mine? (This is the mindset everyone should have =P)
I'll look into growing the fungi..
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2009, 05:34:55 AM »
I believe pickard bought his, why can't I buy mine? (This is the mindset everyone should have =P)
Because it requires tens of thousands of pills to make gram quantaties of acid, and ergotamine + paspalic acid are two of the most extremely watched precursors.
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2009, 04:43:10 PM »
quit the pfaffing and extract some pills it'sthe only way or ching chang china beware of scammers.
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Re: Paspalic acid...
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2009, 01:24:52 AM »
jon is right hatter. nobody in the US, with the exception of a few suppliers(RARE, but granted I've gotten some pretty sketchy shit before so I guess anything is possible), are going to sell it straight up. I've never actually ordered anything overseas because I don't know how to do credit card transactions with them(just seems weird) but the most feasible route would be a supplier(most likely china) for bromocriptine...get a 100g or so and you're set....grignard->hydrolysis->ect...read drone's ramblings on the hive or rhod's archive about bromocriptine...muy interesting.