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Ever heard of Echelon?
« on: September 23, 2009, 01:39:55 AM »
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Reportedly created to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War in the early sixties, today ECHELON is believed to search also for hints of terrorist plots, drug dealers' plans, and political and diplomatic intelligence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_(signals_intelligence)

Also some words that trigger it according to stuff: http://forum.grasscity.com/general/380135-words-trigger-echelon.html


Also worth a read for sure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance#Internet_Communications

Probably that whole page..

Anyone know more about this sort of thing? Seems pretty interestingIMO
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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2009, 03:15:06 AM »
Yeah I've heard of it. Apparently they record everything on these giant hard drives and use a super computer to look for specific words. They mainly just look for terrorists though... if that is what it does. And it is in Splinter Cell.

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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2009, 03:20:31 AM »

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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 03:31:34 AM »
Who hasn't heard of it. Six years ago or so for 2 years that's all we heard in the national news. There was a big spat between the US and Europe over it. It's old news.

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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2009, 02:06:40 PM »
I've always thought it was an international monitoring org. of some kind like the NSA but bigger that was formed by the allies during WWI.

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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2009, 06:34:22 PM »
^^^ You're thinking of the British's code breaking machine Enigma.

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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2009, 12:20:52 AM »
sadly echelon was the "father' of listening systems--
 years ago(20+) australia had the 'first' automated voice recognition telephone directory assistance which provided a huge amount of raw data to the US--who "told us" it was to assist in computer voice recognition-they just didnt elaborate  :-\and back then the
"T"(terrorist) word wasnt common--but by 9/11 we all know how it goes from there...sadly
 
 -oz has about 170 known languages spoken in it--so lotsa accents etc...which is why we provided so many samples of common words spoken in many ways--

 from my point of view,,if you're not doing something highly detrimental to others and your "authorities" have bigger fish to fry
 one should be reasonably cool---unfortunately there is ALWAYS a 'but' (which usually negates all said before it!)
keep it "smart , smooth and simple"...above all BE CAREFUL as best you can
 as the old saying goes......."loose lips sink ships" (commanders in wars gone by used to say all sorts of things to the wwrwong people)
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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 10:34:48 AM »
ye known about echelon for a very long time.

it gets even worse now with the UK allowing many private agencies and lower ranking police
access to the information.

also with new inventions comming out like deep analysis its truly worth being very very carefull.

these are just things that we know about. imagine what they can realy do.

I dont think echelon was advertised as such but more leaked.

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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 10:51:43 PM »
whats 'deep analysis'? ???










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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2009, 10:58:26 PM »
btw i justhad a look at the list of 'words/phrases' echelon listens to....you'va got to be fuckin jokin :o like you said vesp..'porn'!!!!! AND half d fuckin words people use regularly for all sorts of reasons!!! shit, they might as well listen to exerything :P
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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2009, 02:13:20 AM »
Trigger words alone and they end up looking for a needle in a stack of needles. The cool stuff is profiling and pattern recognition by the calls made. Computers can look at call patterns and sort a list of likely suspects for whatever type of crim they are searching for.

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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2009, 09:54:51 AM »
deep analysis is the ability to crack your https and watch you type the post before you post it.

scary shit.

truly you belive that list is real. think about it if you were a pig would you tell everyone what not to say.
I have a post here with a link to the deep analysis but can not remeber what it is at the moment. ill link it latter.

I studied comp/app sci.

were only running encryption in low bits on https its made to protect you from people with PC's not

sun enterprise servers with fiber cray links.


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Re: Ever heard of Echelon?
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2009, 02:36:29 AM »
ECHELON, not some elite fraternity "clique"

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Sorry kids I don't make the news, heh.. and I'm gonna keep it that way. This is a snip from the page linked at the bottom. All those seriously interested in security will surely find this a tad disturbing/enlightening, you decide.

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ECHELON
ECHELON is a term associated with a global network of computers that automatically search through millions of intercepted messages for pre-programmed keywords or fax, telex and e-mail addresses. Every word of every message in the frequencies and channels selected at a station is automatically searched. The processors in the network are known as the ECHELON Dictionaries. ECHELON connects all these computers and allows the individual stations to function as distributed elements an integrated system. An ECHELON station's Dictionary contains not only its parent agency's chosen keywords, but also lists for each of the other four agencies in the UKUSA system [NSA, GCHQ, DSD, GCSB and CSE]






Sources and Resources
Final Report on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system), European Parliament Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System, approved September 5, 2001 (~1 MB PDF file)
A Dissent from the European Parliament Echelon Committee Report, minority report, July 4, 2001.
Draft Report on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system), European Parliament Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System, May 18, 2001 (780 kB PDF file)
Secret Power - New Zealand's Role in the International Spy Network by Nicky Hager Published by Craig Potton Publishing, PO Box 555, Nelson, New Zealand First published 1996
ECHELON: NSA's Global Electronic Interception @ JYA
Interception Capabilities 2000 Report to the Director General for Research of the European Parliament (Scientific and Technical Options Assessment programme office) on the development of surveillance technology and risk of abuse of economic information - April 1999
DEVELOPMENT OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND RISK OF ABUSE OF ECONOMIC INFORMATION
European Parliament (Scientific and Technical Options Assessment)
December 1999
Presentation and Analysis
State of the art in COMINT
Encryption and cryptosystems in electronic surveillance
The legality of the interception of electronic communications
The perception of economic risks

The new space invaders - Spies in the sky Peter Goodspeed National Post Saturday, February 19, 2000 -- "This whole thing is so bizarrely powerful that the opportunity or temptation for abuse is fairly substantial," says Mr. Pike of the American Federation of Scientists. "How many people in your organization always obey the rules? "The notion that NSA or any other of these spy networks is the only large organization in human history in which everyone always obeys the rules just flies in the face of common sense," he says.
SHH! UNCLE SAM IS LISTENING Jack Anderson and Douglas Cohn United Feature Syndicate November 16, 1999 -- According to John Pike, a military analyst at the Federation of American Scientists, "They are going to continue to gather anything they want to, but the wild card is what will be revealed in the report. We can assume that the NSA did not flat out break the law, but we can also assume that Barr won't be told much and the public will be told less" about Project Echelon.
Critics Questioning NSA Reading Habits By Vernon Loeb Washington Post November 13, 1999; Page A03 -- Steven Aftergood, director of a research project on government secrecy at the independent Federation of American Scientists, said the controversy is a case study of the public's willingness to believe almost anything about the NSA.
Trade Secrets : Is the U.S.'s most advanced surveillance system feeding economic intelligence to American businesses? Mother Jones November 1, 1999 "Since the NSA's collection capabilities are so grotesquely powerful, it's difficult to know what's going on over there," says John Pike, an analyst at the watchdog group Federation of American Scientists, who has tracked the NSA for years.
THE EDGE WITH PAULA ZAHN FOX NEWS NETWORK October 21, 1999 -- Echelon is reportedly monitoring up to two million communications every hour of every day. John Pike "As long as the rules are conformed with, I think we're OK. The question is whether NSA's really obeying the rules."

Automatically generating a topic description for text and searching and sorting text by topic using the same United States Patent 5,937,422 Nelson , et al. August 10, 1999 --- It is an object of the present invention to automatically generate a topic description for a document that may include words that do not appear in the document. Possible applications of the present invention include: post processing to improve machine transcription (e.g., machine recognition of speech, auto dictation, text conversion from an optical character reader, etc.), and multi-lingual processing (e.g., multi-lingual interface, automatic translation, etc.).
New Navy-supported machine recognizes spoken words better than humans NAVY WIRE SERVICE (NWS) - November 1, 1999 -- In benchmark testing, USC's speech recognition system bested all existing computer systems and outperformed the keenest human ears.
Machine Demonstrates Superhuman Speech Recognition Abilities University of Southern California News Service Release date: 9/30/99 -- The system can distinguished words in vast amounts of random "white" noise — noise with amplitude 1,000 times the strength of the target auditory signal. Human listeners can deal with only a fraction as much. And the system can pluck words from the background clutter of other voices — the hubbub heard in bus stations, theater lobbies and cocktail parties, for example. With just a minor adjustment, the system can identify different speakers of the same word with superhuman acuity.


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