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australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« on: October 08, 2009, 02:34:25 AM »
hey guys swij just bought some a few friends in the land down under say 300 grams getts one pinned like a 50 mg morphine dose does at $5 a pound this is a bargain.
google
"austrailian poopy seed"
and poppy seed tea you'll soon see.
this comes out to $50/gram of morphine seeing how dipropanoyl morphine is 4X morphine swij will being expirimenting we may just have heroin for the masses.

as a side note heroin has already been made from poppy seeds.

a study to back my claims up
 http://books.google.com/books?id=uCMxEs8VmfMC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=%22australian+poppy+seed%22++morphine&source=bl&ots=ekuscyi38i&sig=1QVYTcSqUap9MCKH7u_9fIhdy_8&hl=en&ei=hlPNSpuQM9Td8QbeoYz8Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=%22australian%20poppy%20seed%22%20morphine&f=false

90-250ug morphine per gram seed in the austrailian variety jon's exited he's going to be nodding soon!.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2009, 02:54:12 AM by jon »

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 03:05:05 AM »
You know... You grow those seedlings into rockwool, then grow those plants hydroponically and you will see very noticeable yield increases. The size of the pods will be bigger, and the latex will be of better quality too (bit more watery, but more potent). They will not take as long to grow, and you can grow excellent quality all year round. Couple that with some of that cation exchange resin and, fuck it, buy a portable combustion furnace and crank one of these bad boys up!
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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 03:06:26 AM »
very funny naf love your sense  of humor you mean a ketene lamp???
fuck that!

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 03:17:23 AM »
"you mean a ketene lamp???"

No! Click the link,

"With an electric combustion furnace, wherein a temperature of 695–705° is maintained, consistent yields of 35–40 per cent ketene are produced. The best rate of flow in such a case is 4–6 cc. per minute, with recovery of 60–80 per cent of the original acetone as distillate. Although yields of ketene ranging above 45 per cent have been obtained frequently with this apparatus, they could not be duplicated consistently."

Could be a cheap kiln etc, with a glass tube filled with broken porcelain running through it, as in the picture (very do-able).

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 04:56:49 AM »
the other anhydride synthesis  i penned makes this much more doable

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 05:36:06 AM »
Excuse my ignorance, but which anhydride synthesis is yours? Please point me to a link, if you cant be bothered typing it out.

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2009, 06:17:54 AM »
propionic anhydride from nas2o7 and propionate salts it's n other chemistry

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 07:12:10 AM »
Well here is a site that claims some clown drank 2-2.5L of poppy seed tea (stronger stomach than me if he did that fast enough to OD before he got in his car and drove it far in toytown) which yielded a *tested* 512mg of Morphine / 3.5lb of seeds. Now 1oz of seeds here is (grocery store) ~$1-$2, so what 3.5lb = 56oz at say $2/oz that is $112 for the equivalent of 6 100mg pills?

Trouble is, I doubt anyone would get even half that yield - so say $112/260mg Morphine at best?*

Get some calcium hydroxide to get the other opiates out of the tea, separate and hit the aqueous layer with ammonium chloride to get impure morphine base.

Jon, you seem to be interested in the procedure, why not try it out and report the yield?

* You get a yield even approaching that and then we could look at getting bakery-type discounts for bulk qty's, or reseller qty's to rebag and sell on to hippy's at the markets. Cos if those yields are possible - there is a shitload of thebaine and codeine in the initial NP extract.
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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 04:37:47 PM »
poppy seed varies but australian seed consistently has high morphine so swij bought some 10 lbs $45 to find out he'lll try different extraction protocals and report back to the bees here what worked best and away we go.
and no it's not that expensive go to a  well known auction site and type in australian poppy seed.
it's actually a cheap source of morphine.

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2009, 04:41:48 PM »
also nooneuno tasmainia's poppy industry only sells somniferum seed because it's a better culinary ingredient it says so i think on tas alkaloids site or somewhere i can find it.
i've had these kind of seed made tea from 250 grams and got rightly smacked up, i was gone.
these varieties are very good for morphine.

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2009, 12:17:19 AM »
Just be careful as I come from Australia, and know that a percentage of growers down there now are growing Thebaine poppies for Oxycodone, buprenorphine, naltrexone etc. And there seeds go to commercial sources too. Thebaine CPS is not useless, as long as know thats what your getting (Morph or Thebaine, or both?). As Tasmania Alkaloids has developed the Thebaine poppy they do grow quite a bit of them. They have harvesting machines that separate straw from seed, and as Thebaine is a natural constituent of opium and is found in the seeds anyway they are not subject to any different regulations and can be sold on to any place that wants 'poppy seed'. The seed is useless to them as they grow F1 hybrids that have been bred by Tasmania Alkaloids to produce maximum potency/yield and uniformity. The Tasmanian poppies are not as well suited to scoring and collecting the latex by traditional methods, as the breeders nowadays are not looking for those traits like easily milked pods, as shredded poppy straw is processed nowadays(ion-exchange no doubt). So breeders are breeding specifically for potency and yield and resistance to pest, disease draught, and with the widespread success and popularity of drugs like OxyContin (Hillbilly herion) pushed on to the sheeple by big pharma.(I bet they getting their dollars worth during these tuff times!) Means they grow quite a few nowadays, I could not tell you the overall percentage of farmers growing Thebaine vs Morphine poppies. As TasAlk only tell everyone what they need to know, i.e. here is a bag of seed, we have gone over you watering and fertilizing plans, we will be back next month to monitor the crops bye! And btw, the Morphine poppies bred by TasAlk as you said are the best going if you can get em!



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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2009, 04:42:17 AM »
swij can think of something very interesting to do with thebaine.
for one peracid oxidation to 14-hydroxycodeinone secondly esterification with cinnamoyl anhydride to give 14-cinnamoxy codeinone reputedly ~ 120 times the potency of morphine.
with opiates that potent it gets very  difficult to titurate the dose a littlle to much and bye-bye instant funeral.
14-ethylcodeinone is 10,000 times the potnecy of morphine anybody want to synth that?
i can see it now the write up is very complete up to the last step somehow during the workup the poster vanishes w/o a trace.

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 08:03:44 PM »
well extraction into acidic water (acetic ph 4) ph4 is important.
followed by filtering and vac evaporation yeilded a gummy latex which was black when smoked produced itchies, sedation, etc.
acylated with propionic anhydride memory very fuzzy after that although me friends say swim was lucid one moment and passed out the next and we had plans which were frustrated by this constant passing out.
naughty boy.
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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 05:07:01 AM »
Why extraction into acid? Seems counterintuitive, do what everyone else does and make the tea, filter it, perhaps even decolourise it with some charcoal (be careful with this one) then hit it with Calcium Hydroxide to Ph9 or so to precipitate the other, non-phenolic alkaloids as their freebase(s) - whilst keeping the morphine in solution as the Ca-Morphenate, then NH4Cl to form the Ammonia solution with CaCl2, thereby precipitating the morphine freebase (Use DCM as the extraction solvent)...

You'll soon know precisely, or fairly precisely, what you have in the mixture... If it is as high as claimed, I hope bakers are ready for a massive run of break-ins :P
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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 03:34:31 PM »
dirty smack is just as good as fine china from swij's personal expirience.
the extraction you mention involves mechanical loss.

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2009, 10:34:25 AM »
swij got arounf to maing some good tan colored smack from austrailian poppy seed from around 3 1/2 pounds a yeild of maybe 1/2 gram good diporopionyl morphine.
i'm too high to write every detail i'll resume tommorow when i'm sober  there are trickks to it.
i'm seeing double i'm so high right now. like a dream
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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2009, 02:08:32 PM »
ok this is the dream:
water isopropanol and acetic acid weree added to a pot half full of tasmanian poppy seeds.
stirred well at room temp with hand blender for about 15 minutes.
next, a colonader was lined with a paper towel it fit snuggly over a larger pot the mass was poured into the  colander and a small plate put on top and presurre applied to extaract all the goods put this was done with water twice.
next the ph was checked to see if it was ph 4 it was. it has to be ph 4 else the morphine gets destroyed by heat air and water forming a dimer you can always tell because youll see a black insoluble precipitate.
so this was evaporated down to get a tan latex.
next methanol was used to separate the latex from any particulate plant metter and the methanol taken off under vacum this was acylated  with propioninc anhydride 3 hours (6 hour better) a rolling boiling bath works very well.
the anhydride evaped on pyrex using blowdryer.
this residue was dissolved in test tube and shaken with a *small* amount of activated carbon, filtered and evaporated once more the product is very good.
1/2 gram obtained fron 1200 grams of seed total cost around 15$ but diproional morphine is nearly twice as potent as heroina and lasts twice as long so damn well worth the hassle.

only works from austrailian seed other varieties are a waste of time.

p.s. i have a question, why do my nuts itch so much when i do this??
do i need to get somw special creme it sure feels good to scratch them though.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2009, 02:48:20 PM by jon »

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2009, 09:32:59 AM »
seriously fellas is ther a special creme my nut s itch like crazy i scrattch them and it feels wonerdful but they lepp itching!
any
help?

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2009, 07:21:51 PM »
on a more seroious note 4.5 kilos yeilded aroun 4-5 grams latex which was acylated probably 20% OR GREATER purity seeing how they are gentically engineered.

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Re: australian poppy seeed estimated to contain 200 mcg./gram morphine
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2009, 02:44:16 AM »
nice one jon (again!) btw..nafman..the poppies grown by tas alk are as you say a "unique hybrid" but i dont think there are 'thebaine' poppies,,,just poppies that produce 'high/er' levels of different alkaloids e.g thebaine (which IIRC is converted into codeine which constitutes abour 85% of their sales--so they arent really after morphine...but its there 8)
you want to see the 200litre flasks they use!!!!!!!! :o 
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