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2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« on: October 14, 2009, 07:31:23 AM »
anyone ever hear of this?
dmmdma?
basically dmmda thats methylated like mdma?

here's a link:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=154861

an excert:
all reports were of a positive nature, the effects were described as being highly visual, much moreso than lsd or 2c-b,

effects apparantly lasted in excess of 14 hours, all 3 of them mentioned the fact that by the end of the trip they were bored of the effects and wanting to sleep, though they were unable to despite repeated attempts,

one mentioned that he greatly prefered the substance to lsd, noting that it lacked a heavy body load,

another said that although he enjoyed the psychedelic effects, it made him feel "speedy" and lasted far too long

the other found it "very interesting" and "very enjoyable" "definatley worthy of furthur experimentation"
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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009, 08:18:34 PM »
I've looked into this compound relatively well, and it indeed does look promising. Both DMMDA and DMMDA-2 are very OTC, and neither are listed (yet), although they might be considered analogs of MDA or mescaline. Unfortunately, there is a great deal of apiol and dillapiol % change depending on where the oil is from. Some places report 2%, while others claim 50%. Others still even use fake GC reports.

Shulgin looked into them a reasonable amount, and he has some interesting comments about them in PIHKAL. IIRC, he described a unique "brain movie" like CEV effect from DMMDA. I believe the N-methylated derivatives are nearly inactive, or only perhaps active at a very high dose. There's an interesting writeup about DMMDA, DMMDA-2, and bromo-DMMDA-2 on the rhodium archive. It has bioassays and all.
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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 08:21:44 PM »
you have to chose carefully when buying parley seed oil think indian.
also it is active did'nt you just read the bioassays?

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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2009, 10:44:00 PM »
There have been a few bioassays of this substance all saying that it was something that could give them a mood life at work or while in church but this is the first I have heard of it being anything like LSD. There is a good possibility that this bioassay was someone just trying to be cool but you never know. There is one way of finding out though. Get some dill oil and give it a go. I have some matter of fact and more sodium bromide could work wounders. The other main constitute in the oil is caverone with a much higher boiling point so seperations could be either Adduct formation to remove the caverone then finish boiling the small amount of lower volitiles, Straight boiling the oil(Think stinky trust me) till you get to your required fraction, or more then likely the easiest of means for seperation use mercury acetate to form the solid addition product of the alkene wash then free it from the mercury. Im sure you can see the down side of all of these methods. Fractioning is a clear winner to get Dill apiol if you have access to the correct equipment.

After you get your Dill apiol its standard routes using methylamine to your goods. If you decide let us know. I would sure love to hear a trust worthy bioassay as I trust neither of the ones I have heard yet.
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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2009, 11:20:47 PM »
you mean this?
http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1027311.html


it's a phenol  it can be washed out %5 naoh

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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2009, 11:53:12 PM »
Sorry I spelled it wrong. No thats not what Im talking about. Im talking about the Ketone that is in mint and dill named Carvone,



Dill has one isomer and mint has the other. Its the High BP Ketone that we where talking about in the decarboxylation threed present in spearmint.
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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2009, 12:40:45 AM »
that can be washed out with 25% acetic acid try it distill the acid and report back

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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2009, 12:46:34 AM »
Acetic acid? How you figure..

I removed all mine using Sodium Bisulfite sometime ago so sorry but a report is a ways away on that front.
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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2009, 01:06:52 AM »
Quote from: jon on October 14, 2009, 08:21:44 PM
you have to chose carefully when buying parley seed oil think indian.
also it is active did'nt you just read the bioassays?

I might be mixing up parsley with dill seed, but IIRC Egyptian is the way to go.

Also, I haven't seen enough reports to be really convinced of much. The rhodium report doesn't seem well matched with Shulgin's report, and I haven't seen many others out there. I think it's worth sampling at increasing levels, with reports at each increment.
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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2009, 05:22:56 AM »
acetic removes ketones through h bonding van der walls attraction

oh heisenberg can you confirm egyptian parsely seed oil is the best? you seem ambiguous.
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*Fractioning is a clear winner to get Dill apiol if you have access to the correct equipment.*
parsley oil has the 2,5 substitution it's what you want.

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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2009, 03:12:40 AM »
I would be interested to see what the effects of DM-MDMA are. From reading Pikhal, I suspect it would be less active than DM-MDA, as most n-methyl analogues of amphetamines are, but MDMA always was an exception in that department, so perhaps DM-MDMA is as well :).

I always get really confused with all the M's and D's when dealing with these, but do note, 2,5-dimethoxy-n-methyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine, as described here, is DM-MDMA or Methyl-DM-MDA according to Shulgin's terminology. This is synthesised from apiole, found in parsley, not dillapiole found in dill. Using dillapiole will give you DM-MDMA-2, if the amine is methylated, or DM-MDA-2 if it is not.

Also, all of the trip reports mentioned in those posts are not about DM-MDMA, they are about DM-MDA or other drugs such as MMDA-2; from reading the thread, I think this includes your OP jon, as the same poster who talks about 14 hour trips calls it 2C-MDA, which is DM-MDA, not DM-MDMA. Shulgin never tried DM-MDMA, though the method of its synthesis and melting point are recorded under the DM-MDA synth. One "Antibody2" did synth and taste the dillapiole version, DM-MDMA-2, though by all accounts he thought it was rubbish.

Really though, until someone with a lab gets some apiole, oxidises the double bond and places a nice n-methylamino group on the 2- position of the propyl group, we can only dream...  :-\
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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2009, 03:54:16 AM »
he tasted the dill apiole version and called it shit
 2,5 dimethoxy is where it's at.
swij is going to fuck with this.
and report back with parsely seed apiole worlds of difference here.

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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2009, 03:59:58 AM »
Would it be possible for you to publish the % content of the oil?
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Re: 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4methylendioxyphenyl-1- isopropyl-2-methylamine
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2009, 06:57:28 PM »
*There is a good possibility that this bioassay was someone just trying to be cool but you never know*

sedit maybe he got the dmmda and thought it was methylated
methylated dmmda is a lot like ecstacy less trippy than it's primary amine cousin from what i read.
a cool alternaative to XTC catch my buzz?
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