Though we have no way to prove this, so lets just admit it depends on the person   

Making LSD is beyond my abilities.... at least for now. I know LSD is suppose to be the tops but it just seems like driving around, walking around, hanging out and conversating makes it seems like it didn't have that big of an affect. I mean I couldn't imagine doing any of those things on MDA. Even conversating is a bit much. Although I will admit I did have quite a communicative event with a table fan that I had attached glow sticks to the other day. Although that was more of a telepathic form of communication verses verbal communication but I swear we were communicating very intensely nonetheless  

those reports you read just didn't take enough lsd then.  i took a strip before that i thought was only one hit, boy was i wrong.  it was a 14 hour trip and spent most of the night curled in a ball in fetal position on the bed completely unable to communicate with the outside world.

you guyz aint had much expirience with acid swij would pack books in the freezere all from kansas rememeber pickardt?
we ate tons of acid play pool on 10 hits of acid sometime.

when you have books and books of acid straight from the missle silo in kansas 10 hits aint shit try 17 most swij did.

we got it out of hos lab he kept pretty much to hiself man it was from his lab laying sheets easy to do we reven got liquid with undisolvved crystals it was some shit!

hey, anybody know much about adding preservatives to your lsd?

long ago hoffman recommended stabilizing the salt in aqueous solution with a little vitamin C...

will any antioxidant work? methyl-paraben?

lsd is typically dissolved in alcohol and this is kneaded into "acid-free/unbleached water coloring paper" in a dish or tray until the paper is evenly saturated.  100 ug is a proper hit and if you lay less than this you'll make a bad name for yourself.

after saturation the paper is laid flat, and blown gently with a fan until dry.  some people like to wash the residual lsd out of the dish or tray using "vitamin water."  they don't know why they're doing this, but it makes perfect sense. on one hand it avoids destroying the lsd with chlorinated tap-water. and on the other it is full of antioxidants which protect the acid...

personally i think laying lsd tartrate to paper is fucking stupid. it is a huge dis-service to all the people who will have to eat it after it degrades.

i think gelatine + antioxidant would preserve it much better.  your lsd distributor should be down to kindly teach you how to lay gelatine if you can't figure it out for yourself.

man, it's been awhile since i dropped acid... but i definitely agree with words of hunter thompson, "lsd is the king of drugs."

a ten-strip is the right dose for a full experience, that's the most swimp has taken. you're less likely to totally lose your mind and embarrass yourself if you eat the strip in parts over a few hours.

start with one hit. then double your dose every hour as long as you're feeling good and want to get higher.

some people do whole thumbprints (around 100 or 250 ten-strips worth) as a test of their mettle, but i haven't seen much evidence that it's making them  any smarter or benefiting their organization... especially if you do this with less-than-perfect quality material.

i had a friend who spit a gram 3 ways once. he said he was the only one to ride the entire experience, meditate through it, without losing his shit in some way. his one friend took a shit in the shower, the other one pissed in a bed. (he viewed these as signs that perhaps they took more than they could handle...)

apparently, the physical margin of safety on this stuff is huge. dude took 33,000 doses at once. what other psychedelic can you take 33,000 doses of and not be fucked?

hey, anybody know much about adding preservatives to your lsd?

long ago hoffman recommended stabilizing the salt in aqueous solution with a little vitamin C...

will any antioxidant work? methyl-paraben?

lsd is typically dissolved in alcohol and this is kneaded into "acid-free/unbleached water coloring paper" in a dish or tray until the paper is evenly saturated.  100 ug is a proper hit and if you lay less than this you'll make a bad name for yourself.

after saturation the paper is laid flat, and blown gently with a fan until dry.  some people like to wash the residual lsd out of the dish or tray using "vitamin water."  they don't know why they're doing this, but it makes perfect sense. on one hand it avoids destroying the lsd with chlorinated tap-water. and on the other it is full of antioxidants which protect the acid...

personally i think laying lsd tartrate to paper is fucking stupid. it is a huge dis-service to all the people who will have to eat it after it degrades.

i think gelatine + antioxidant would preserve it much better.  your lsd distributor should be down to kindly teach you how to lay gelatine if you can't figure it out for yourself.

man, it's been awhile since i dropped acid... but i definitely agree with words of hunter thompson, "lsd is the king of drugs."

a ten-strip is the right dose for a full experience, that's the most swimp has taken. you're less likely to totally lose your mind and embarrass yourself if you eat the strip in parts over a few hours.

start with one hit. then double your dose every hour as long as you're feeling good and want to get higher.

some people do whole thumbprints (around 100 or 250 ten-strips worth) as a test of their mettle, but i haven't seen much evidence that it's making them  any smarter or benefiting their organization... especially if you do this with less-than-perfect quality material.

i had a friend who spit a gram 3 ways once. he said he was the only one to ride the entire experience, meditate through it, without losing his shit in some way. his one friend took a shit in the shower, the other one pissed in a bed. (he viewed these as signs that perhaps they took more than they could handle...)

apparently, the physical margin of safety on this stuff is huge. dude took 33,000 doses at once. what other psychedelic can you take 33,000 doses of and not be fucked?

Stabilizing the salt with vitamins is new to me, but it doesn't seem illogical. Bacteria is the main degradation factor in many LSD labs today. Odd enough, vitamin water to wash out the extra seems a bit odd, and making gels with vitamins in them seems perfectly logical. Though gels are not very popular, especially for moving large amounts.

If laying the tartrate to paper is stupid, what else would a mover do to move the acid? Gels are hard and easily spotted, liquid isn't good for solid business, and pills are almost impossible...

I've never seen much information on the different effects from different salts, but I presume the majority of LSD laid on blotter is in the tartrate, if not, what other salts have been known to work?

how to move lsd tartrate without using paper?

liquid has it's advantages.  one is that it's a bit safer to dose strangers in public using liquid, you can put it right on their tongue and be assured that all evidence has disappeared.  another is that vials might be easier than sheets to throw through the air.

but rather than ditch shit, the old school hustlers used to never carry more acid than they could personally eat in a pinch. hmm, perhaps paper is as ideal as anything else for this. i knew dudes who would keep their tolerance up just so they could eat a 10-pack fast. one dude chased a pack down with an ounce of mushrooms once. yuMMM. he says he's glad he did.

i suspect that gelatine makes the most sense for protecting a sensitive product from oxidation. pills are cool, but gelatine is more low-tech and harder to trace. it's the same size and weight as paper and nearly as easy to smuggle. once the paper is "lined-out" it's no longer any more low-pro than gellies. and good gellies are very popular. some of them are legends. black pyramids anyone?

what are other options? microdots... (are those gelatine or cellulose? i think each kind has been done).

DMSO + a super-soaker? heh...

no1uno- i've heard of mellowing an overly intense acid trip out with alcohol, the depressant effects take the edge off. some people do the same with mushrooms. i don't like to mix stimulants with lsd. but i do like to give someone an orange when they're on a bad trip and not enjoying it. first it delights the senses with it's color and texture. then the surprise, mmm, this is a gift to me, it's my orange and it's useful for something?!? then it becomes a puzzle, hmm, how do i operate this thing? then the puzzle is solved and your dry&cracked mouth is rewarded with delicious orange juice. then a feeling of well-being and energy comes as the nutrients replenish your system. then your cosmic doubt and uncertainty is somewhat reduced- i eat oranges therefore i am. your connection with the earth-mother is renewed, isn't she kind to her children?

JohnS- well, ignoring the fact that pardons are often given to far less deserving people, you would agree with me that if lsd were legalized then at that time Pickard should be freed right away? cause i have no problem advocating for both.  legalize acid for sacramental use and free Pickard. huzzah!

realistically, i guess i have to agree that if they capped the sentence for manufacture of 500 million doses of lsd at 5 years, that would be a real picnic compared to the way things are today.  that's only one day in jail for a quarter million hits! i suppose i could deal with that...   but i think there's a better chance for total legalization.

this goddamn war on drugs wasn't meant to save people from the harm of drugs (in case ya didn't know). IMO it has been knowingly designed to increase the use of the lowest tech and most damaging drugs- such as alcohol, tobacco, speed, and heroin.

the drug war made usage go up, while the quality went down and strongest substances took predominance. the increasing usage guaranteed a perpetual war, which can always be "justified" by the problems "caused" by poor quality and enhanced addictiveness.

if you look into things, you'll see that pretty much everyone who wants to use drugs is already doing so. (conversely the people who don't use cocaine today aren't going to run out and buy an eight-ball right away if it were legalized.) kids will suck on "duster" when they don't have a pot-and-acid dealer, which is a humanitarian disaster. the only thing the narcoswine can accomplish is reducing the quality of drugs available, increasing the usage of the most addictive forms of administration and most dangerous and addictive substances, jack up the prices (which of course generates more incentive for new people to hustle them), and make a handsome profit busting the people they *know* are going to do so.

the swine know that the more arrests they make the more funding they get. they are hooked on that money more than any of us are hooked on any drug. (they are so hooked in fact that most will not dare consider for a moment that it might have some kind of negative effects. they're some of the worst of the worst junkies- hurting others to get their fix, each and every day, and 100% willing to "rationalize" this anti-social behavior in order to keep their precious cash coming in. classic scumfuck junkie ethics.)

the swine are guaranteed to never run out of people to bust. just how they like it really... now that they're not allowed to induct heretics, Jews, and faggots into their prison/forced-labor program druggies are the main bread&butter they have left.

apparently quite a bit of crime in general is tied to drug prohibition... if drugs were legalized, perhaps the prison population could be reduced by 75% back to its 1970 pre-drug-war level, similar to current levels in the rest of the civilized world. the loss of profits for the companies using prison labor would be very large though...

if anyone really wanted the "drugs problem" fixed, then any public service agencies involved should be funded corresponding to how successfully they reduce harm caused by all substance use across the board, medical and non-medical.

this logic would enable strategies such as "legalize pot if doing so significantly reduces the harm done by speed, alcohol, and tobacco" to be applied. i think the numbers would support this... and it would be a good step in the right direction, for all of us who aren't interested in screwing other people over for a buck.

treatment/accurate-education would be funded heavily while the funding for enforcement is mostly cut. we have studies showing that treatment is 12x more effective in reducing use (dollar-per-dollar) than enforcement is. (i'm surprised the authors found any effectiveness for enforcement at all, perhaps they didn't account for people simply switching drugs when enforcement on one is increased.)

in light of this, what possible explanation is there for the government's failure to apply funding in a way that demonstrably "improves" society, as i have suggested?

there is one obvious answer... the elites want to keep the masses fucked up on bad dope and enslaved in as many ways as possible.  the drug war is a class war, plain and simple. rich against poor.

the playing field ain't level. which is just how the rich like it, they invented the game. ask them and they'll agree- many of them smoke(d) pot and still vote for fascists. it's sad but true. they don't care if a bunch of black low-level dealers are railroaded disproportionately to the rest of us, people are dying of OD's from crappy and mis-measured dope, parents are losing their jobs and custody of their kids because of a pot bust, and all sorts of honest people who harmed no one are getting screwed over...

no, all they care about when punching a ballot is their own bank account. and of course... they *know* that *they* personally will never get caught. after all they drive a nice car, smoke secretly and safely in their nice house in their nice neighborhood, and as a middle-aged successful person they almost never get shook down randomly on the side of the road like youths and poor folks are every day. so it just doesn't affect them.

but to me, it looks like a slippery slope that these bastards are on, those rich high and mighty motherfuckers who tread on righteous psychedelic culture in their wealth, ignorance, and arrogance.

when you start supporting fascism for the reason of personal gain, you neglect the fact that if the beast ever reaches its full manifestation you will lose all of those supposed gains.

fascists may pander to your interests but they're never your friends. you can tell from their agenda that they have a total lack of regard for humanity. why should someone think that they won't turn on him or her also, in the end?

and they call us dopers fools... at least many psychedelic heads know the difference between right and wrong. quite a few of us are trying to save their asses along with our own from 1984-style totalitarianism, endless war, environmental collapse, etc. the least those fools could do is stop subsidizing our murder.  

some might say all this confusion is part of the Kali Yuga. i hope it ends soon. we are polling over 50% for legalization of pot on the west coast. the wall is coming down and we might dance on its rubble in our lifetimes! huzzah!

thanks for the info on how to lay lasting papper