Damn, I've never taken LSD before but that sounds pretty weak. It sounds like pure MDA gives much better visuals.

Never had LSD?
Aww if your into visuals german then your missing out something lovely. I use to trip......alot..... A whole lot..... 2 hits roughly 2x a week sometimes with some MDMA to top it off(<-Lovely lemme tell ya... It does away with the anxity that LSD can cause at times) The visuals are very nice but what strikes me unique about this drug(No other trytamine experiance other then shrooms and they don't compair IMHO) is its ability to make you think like a scizophrinic person for 6 hours and stay tripping for another 6 at which point the comedown is as though all the knowlage in the universe is flowing thru your head.... You know longer think thoughts anymore and you are just a mediator as the thoughts flow thru you. I personaly feel it is the perfect Nootropic drug if one where able to comprehend what they learned while tripping. In some cases it has taken me years to figure out the logic of my thought process but the logic was no doubt there and more profound then anything another human could comeup with sober.

50-75mcg is a small does considering back in the 60's the average dose was 750mcg and able 150mcg now days... I could picture walking around and talking with mild MDMA like effects off of 50mcg but off of 150 I don't think thats possible.

Although I seen my cuz eat some baby blue gel tabs which TRUST ME where TOPPPPss even in the LSD world and where as I was watching Ice crystals grow out of my finger tips and having like out of body experiances he was hanging out with the rest of the familiy(churchy fuckers) at a x-mas party. Hes pretty strange and half retarted though so seeing him act strange was nothing new to them.

LSD is the top drug, bar none I've tried to date. Unlike most here, I won't touch MDA/MDMA (I actually prefer speed, better control, less "out of it", etc.) but LSD DAMN...

I also want to try Escaline which seems like it might be within my limited skills, simply mescaline with an ethyl ether @ the 4/para position, which given the syntheses of syringol, is the only one that takes actual alkylation anyway and ethyl bromide/iodide is way easier to get at than the methyl analogue, which taken with the almost 8 fold reduction in effective dose (mescaline has doses from 300-500mg, Escaline is 40-60mg) seems more rational.

Not something I'd be selling anyway, I used acid for self-analysis and would probably use this for the same purpose.

The derivatives aren't scheduled though.

Except the U S of A!

Most of my LSD trips took place between 97-01 so im pretty confident that the material I saw was in fact LSD. Considering most of all that the flow of it dried up to almost a trickle after the silos where shut down. This was a depressing thing to hear and I knew at the time that it spelled the total end of the counter culture that started back in the 60's. The form of thought that started the hippy movement is a direct effect of LSD usage and to hear they just busted such a large lab in the midst of my heavy LSD usage pretty much brought a fucking tear to my eyes.

"There is quite a bit of misinformation in this thread."


"LSD is like baking a bloody cake, all you need to know is the right temperature to set the oven, amount of eggs and milk to add, and when to remove it"

LOL!

"Straight from Owsley."

Yes but Mr.Stanely came from a different era than us! You could say he is the founding father of getting chemicals banned, and with his reputation he would not have been doing much cooking lately! It is a new day, and we have restricted and scheduled chemicals we have had (since him) about 50 years non stop of people trying to sneakily make clandestine drugs in general. So we have laws like the analog act(edit; Damn, we have had the whole designer drugs era that spawned the analog act, since he was acquiring and trying to produce LSD), conspiracy to manufacture that have come along way after him. He was able to literally walk into his lab supplier and order lab grade Lysergic acid, and diethylamine and whatever else he needed (all at one place!)over the counter. With access to chems like that, it would not be rocket science. But since the owl we have entire agencies devoted to catching people doing this shit (read; DEA etc). When he was thinking about making it, there was no such thing as groups of people dressed in military gear with submachine guns kicking in your door! Now it is common place to see SWAT raids, he and his hippy buddies would have laughed at you, if you had of predicted what the future would be (common and regular SWAT raids, DEA, government impinging on the everyday Joes privacy, corporate greed on a large scale, etc etc). Thats what they were fighting, we need an Owsley now! But be sure, the neo-Owlsley will have to jump a lot more hurdles than the OG owlsey did. As before him besides the odd PCP lab, there was no clandestine manufacture of drugs so he was easily able to take advantage of the fact that no one was watching (I can promise you, they are now!).  

No offense taken!

"He never ordered anything 'OTC'. In fact he had to use a front company just to get the companies to respond to his letters. Then he had to spend thousands of dollars for the chemicals alone. Though he didn't have jonny law after he, he did in fact have to deal with fake companies."

Ok, so in the 60's when there was no DEA or really any clandestine drug manufacture. He still had to go to those lengths, I can assure by now that way will be way harder (because of Owsley and the many that followed). So its harder to set up fake companies nowadays, need more than just fake letters.

"As for his day being different, it was actually harder for him to make it using the methods he used than the methods out today. Not to mention we have the internet, where he had to read read and read books. Its much easier to get chemicals over the internet than one might think, as long as your smart."

I do have to pull rank here, he (from what I know) same as Kemp used lab grade lysergic acid, diethylamine and hydrazine. In the classical route, this (although you have to deal with the inherently toxic hydrazine, you can get away with the hydrate) is the easiest method going. As it involves treating the lysergic acid with hydrazine to produce the hydrazide, then this is what he would have done (very close);

"3 parts of d-isolysergic acid hydrazide are transformed in the usual way in a hydrochloric acid solution by a treatment with sodium nitrite at 0 degrees C. into the azide, and, after neutralization of the acid solution with sodium bicarbonate, the azide thus formed is shaken out by means of 300 parts ethyl ether. The ethereal solution is then dried with freshly calcinated potassium carbonate and treated with 3 parts of diethylamine. The solution is allowed to stand, preferably in the dark and at room temperature, for 24 hours with repeated shaking. The ether is then evaporated in vacuo, the residue triturated with 30 parts of water and filtered by suction. The dark amorphous product thus obtained possesses a specific rotation of [alpha]20/D=about+100 degrees (in pyridine) and consists essentially of a mixture of nearly equal parts of d-lysergic acid diethylamide and d-isolysergic acid diethylamide. "

Chromatography would have followed if there was any QC at all. The hydrazide can be prepared from the ergot alkaloids also.

U.S. Patent 2,438,259; Patented Mar. 23, 1948.
file:///F:/documents/books/ArkHive/Rhodium/chemistry/lsdpatent.html

Hmm... Well, I do agree with the internet comments, and the fact that some governments bad foreign policies have made it nearly too easy too get chems that certain people are trying to ban over here. And those transactions can not be scrutinized by agencies like DEA because they have no juristiction and are not feared at all in those places, as they cant really get on a plane to kick someones door in overseas to get there records (so those records basically dont exist).

When you say they better methods now, I assume you are talking about peptide coupling reagents?
It is quite a complex molecule and as such is quite popular for chemists (with big labs and budgets to match) to set out to synthesize especially the lysergic acid molecule. And these projects last years with trials and tribulations, for you or anyone to walk in and say easy as baking a cake is a bit of crap. You will need inert atmosphere as well as lightproof room (or box to work in) with red lights, you will need good chromatography glass as well as a good set up. If you cant just get ergot alkaloids or lysergic acid, paspalic LSA etc. You are going to have try and produce a very complex molecule that could go wrong in many ways. I dont want to be a downer, but if it were so easy a lot more people would be doing it. I am all for working on the problem, but that is one that will not be easy!

"At the time they thought it was a power brain washing device."

I had never heard that, but I have heard much crazier stories from that era that turned out to be 100% factual.

"He did use Lysergic Acid, but he never had any complex labs"

No he did not need a complex lab, as stated above he used that simple procedure because he was able to acquire lysergic acid and diethylamine.

"As for the better methods, yes peptide is one of those."

But you still need a source of lysergic acid and diethylamine.

"Both of those sources are easier to get than one might think..."

If that was the case I would have to concede you were right.