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« on: November 01, 2009, 10:50:54 PM »
Found link @ Phrixus-think I'll lurk for quite awhile here before exposing my ignorance... ;D.
 30 year background in nursing and alternative healing [did you know hydrazine sulfate and DMSO are useful in cancer treatment?], so that's what I'll be looking for primarily-but never can resist reading an enlightened post on biochemistry, energetics or weapons.

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 12:33:33 AM »
Do tell more on the N2H2/ DMSO mixture because personaly that sounds like a death sentance to be honest.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 04:31:20 AM »
No kidding, but I have heard of this before.

It makes sense to some degree though - cancer is just uncontrolled cell growth, or something to that affect, right? So it would make sense that anything that kills human cells, should also kill human cancer cells.

Perhaps the cancer cells are more susceptible to the toxic effects of hydrazine? What makes hydrazine toxic anyways?
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 11:12:21 AM »
Sorry, I wasn't clear-I don't advocate MIXING them, but both have value in cancer-the hydrazine to stimulate appetite and prevent/reverse cachexia [some say it also has an antitumor effect-can't say from personal experience].

DMSO is a valuable transdermal carrier of many different substances.  I have personally used it in conjunction with H202 to treat mast cell tumors in a dog, with great improvement.  The combination is also very helpful in stubborn fungal nail infections.

 Think I wrote up the DMSO/H202 dog treatment at RS a couple of years back under the moniker of 'Dawg'-

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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 06:14:12 PM »
Ok I think we are talking about different substances here. Hydrazine a name of a mixed alternative medication coined in the 70s IIRC. In chemical terms hydrazine is an extremely explosive extremely toxic substance comparable to that of cyanide. Is the chemical hydrazine (N2H2) or the medication we are talking about?


Wouldn't transdermal H2O2 be painful as hell? I know if I get 35% on my skin it feels like pins and needles.

Im not nitpicking here BTW just very curious.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2009, 10:24:48 PM »
Hydrazine 'sulfate'...think that was in original post... ;D
 
Not 35% H202-that DOES denature protein rapidly!  The 3% drugstore concentration is fine-for my dog I used 1 qt peroxide, 2-4 oz. 99% DMSO [ranch supply] and ~ 3 qts H20 @ ~106F.  Immersed her entire back end in a 2.5 gallon container.  Kept the temp up with more hot H20 addition as it cooled for about a 10 min duration soak.

 The tumors ["mast cell"-diagnosed by biopsy by vet-conventional tx was steroids/radiation/surgery] began to form what appeared to be boils, popped within a week, and dried up into flat, shiny scars varying in size from ~2-5mm.  New ones kept cropping up but after about 6 weeks they stopped appearing.

 Baths were repeated every other day.  Vet was amazed but could not bring herself to admit that some off-the-wall treatment could possibly have worked, despite the fact that 2 prior surgeries had recurrences within 4 weeks both times...

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2009, 01:52:26 AM »
Do you have any other references or information that may be obtained as to this form of treatment of cancer cells? I would enjoy doing some reading on my own time of the subject.
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2009, 06:08:46 PM »
ya'll guys are qauzy hydrazine boy oh golly ge whiz don't asphixate!

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2009, 11:25:06 PM »
@Vesp-prior question I missed re:  hydrazine toxicity:  Short answer=hype...
http://www.hydrazinesulfate.org/

@ sedit:
Try Googling [or better yet, use Startpage-anonymous proxy search engine] 'DMSO H2O2 cancer'-here's a couple that ought to get you going...

http://www.emmessar.com/chemical/company/p1.htm
http://www.thephillipdemarscancerfund.com/DMSO.htm

@jon:
What part of 'sulfate' did you miss? ;D

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4110437/description.html

There's a whole lot of hype out there on the Web, of course, and mainstream medicine/BigPharma is not in favor of anything which may impact their bottom line.

http://www.hydrazinesulfate.org/part2.html

I have not personally used HS, but know someone who has and who benefited greatly. I DO have an unopened bottle of Merck USP grade I happened to pick up on eBay a couple of years ago, though-just in case-

Already outlined my experience with my dog and her tumors-now I'll digress just a bit more into H202 and it's use  in treating an array of diseases.  Here's a link to a Lancet [most prestigious British medical journal] article from 1920 detailing it's IV use in successfully treating influenza:

 http://www.foodgradeh2o2.com/blog/excerpt-fromthe-lancet-influenzal-pneumonia-article-of-1920/

general overview of H202 do's and don'ts when used internally:

http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/HydrogenPeroxide.html

Very good overview of many alternative health concepts-[think about the relative M.W.'s of the halogens, realize that our bodies require iodine to function, and ask yourself-"is displacing iodine in my cells with lower-wt. halogens like chlorine or bromine in my drinking water REALLY such a good idea?"

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/oxygen.htm

A book I'm rereading for the 3rd time on many forms of oxygen therapy including H202/ozone/hyperbaric O2 is:

http://www.amazon.com/Oxygen-Healing-Therapies-Optimum-Vitality/dp/0892817933/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257892677&sr=1-1

Dunno if it's available on torrents-ought to be...maybe I should deputize myself to perform that humanitarian task-

I've used DMSO on myself for over 30 years to treat many injuries-thumbs jammed while skiing/deep puncture wound dog bite on my foot/partially torn Achilles tendon/torn triceps surae [calf muscle].  Applied immediately to a fresh soft tissue injury it will reduce or even eliminate bruising overnight.  Swelling is generally reduced in less than an hour.

 Do a bit of research on what the Russians have done with treatment of strokes and even partial regeneration of severed spinal cords using DMSO and hyperbaric oxygen.

Maybe Michael Jackson was onto something with his sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber...even if he was a little 'eccentric'.  Been thinking about how to build myself one from two 55 gal poly drums welded end-to-end and a surplus medical oxygen concentrator...maybe add a fish tank ozonator for a little added boost [not to be breathed, of course].

Sorry to get longwinded-maybe this thread should be moved elsewhere?

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 02:48:10 AM »
longwinded? no.
intelligent response yes!

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2009, 08:06:56 AM »
Found link @ Phrixus-think I'll lurk for quite awhile here before exposing my ignorance... ;D.
 30 year background in nursing and alternative healing [did you know hydrazine sulfate and DMSO are useful in cancer treatment?], so that's what I'll be looking for primarily-but never can resist reading an enlightened post on biochemistry, energetics or weapons.

Hi dialysisdog, Good to see you at the Vespiary, I read about the use of Hydrazine sulfate via the link you ended up posted a few posts down. http://www.hydrazinesulfate.org/    Found, what I managed to read, as very interesting, sort of made me quite nauseous due to the attitudes and behaviour, if indeed correct, by the
NCI and FDA.(not the first time Frank has had this physical response to their described behaviour) so I will finish it off, but perhaps not in one go...
I look forward to reading the Russian Paper, and will follow up with other literature associated. I am far from being biochemically enlightened, DAM IT- but learning, some learnt, and seeing that revision is necessary in such a broad area< but do understand a little about the pathway of gluconeogenesis, and that particular enzyme which is specific for this pathway. I also somewhat remember that the initial Pyruvate > Oxaloacetate, also specific for gluconeogenisis, uses Co-A, or is involved somehow which I think induces the possible breakdown of stored triglycerides, so if the 2nd step is inhibited, then the breakdown of triglycerides in the initial step may also be inhibited - although I know its very complex, and my description here may not be so accurate, but seems to fit the bill, and somewhat explains the weight gain- or reduction of associated weight loss, and irrespective of that, how dare these GROUPS take such a plausible, and what looks like very encouraging results, and treat it with contempt, and as if anything bar big money spent on lengthy pharmaceutical research is but pseudoscience. Im obviously stating the obvious/ yet it was great seeing Dr Gold speak his mind, from his position, and hopefully a change may result. Im looking forward, to find what sort of inhibition it is, and the effect of the initiall step, whether biotin could play a role.
 Have you checked this out -
In Australia, a news story hit a couple of years ago, (Ill try and track the newspaper article - I actually saw it on the television) regarding local Biomedical Research Drs at a hospital utilizing a new revolutionary treatment for cancer via the use of placing electrodes within the tumor itself and sending some amperage that results in necrosis of such cells due to exteme pH values cuased by such treatment, where specificity was very very good. This treatment required expensive disposable platinum electrodes, something at around 10,000 bucks a pair plus the instrumentation for this technique is extremely expensive, and of course we are only at animal-guinea pig trials,yet such treament maybe availiable  in the next 10 years. From my perspective the inert electrodes would not have to be platinum.That the correlation that platinum salts added to the destruction of the cells, well Im not convinced, yet the fact that cis-platiin an existing treatment makes it perhaps sound plausible- but theyre totally different, but still doen't infer if it was true, that such platinum electrodes need to be disposed of, especially in light of todays use of autoclaves designed specifically for such purposes. I am referring to the TV news report, So unless I can track it down, cannot backup my words here.
I then discovered that this is common practice in China, and has been for many years, and discussed in an internation meeting in 1998, yet their results were unable to be used, but were used - well at least in support of this ongoing research beginning with animal trials, intrumental developements, obviously legal contracts for all involved, big money, stretching this treatment for as long as they can, so these researchers, developers of such instrumentation can make as much freakin money as they can. After all, its not as if someones life is in the balance. oops hold on Frank,dont get all hostile here.. sorry.. and of course Frank may have it all wrong about this situation. Its just when reading the findings, some 7 years ago, seeing the TV report some 2 years ago, well after reading the following

"Information from Western countries, including Australia, is based mainly on animal studies.
Promising reports have been published on the electrolytic ablation of melanoma tumours. Early
animal studies by Schauble et al.14 and David et al.15 on melanoma tumours in hamsters showed
melanoma tumour growth inhibition or regression in all animals treated with electrolysis. More
recently a small human trial by Plesnicar et al.16 treated five patients with electrolysis for primary
or metastatic melanoma tumours. They concurred with the results from the animal studies, with
all lesions decreasing in size following electrolysis. No serious complications were noted.
Nordenstrom12, one of the pioneers of the field, has also trialled both lung and breast cancer
treatment. In using electrolysis on lung tumours there was regression of the tumours in 12 out of
26 tumours in 20 patients, several of whom were previously thought to be inoperable. A trial on a
single patient with breast cancer treated by electrolysis showed complete ablation of the tumour
and mammographic follow-up at two years showing no evidence of recurrence. These trials had
no mortalities, and morbidity was limited to slight fever and local pain following the surgery"

So with such reviews why the Fuck isn't it maintream treatment by now, This in conjunction with inhibition of gluconeogenesis, could
be saving lives, extending lives, and it just dumbfounds me reading what youve stat dialysisdog, and what Ive added with respect to
possible proven cancer treatments, that are being with held due to MONEY as far as I can tell.

http://www.surgeons.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=1783

Anyway, nice that youve joined the forum, and I look forward to reading those papers..

Frank