I had a friend, a total heroin addict friend, that it was somewhat obvious to those who knew him,that hed basically he may of taken too many mushrooms as a kid, or he did indeed have an underlying mental disorder that was adequately suppressed with his daily heroin usage. This would surface when he stopped using heroin, and on these occasions, he was if anything just anxious, not really sure of what reality is, had the Christian objective drilled into him as a kid, and when he was straight, the issue of such a physiological change caused by such a chemical shift,and  perhaps a degree of - upon a time took too many mushies- and or, just a natural response, being a sensitive kid, with these trips regarding, you'll go to hell for eternity if you don't, etc, etc, well of the heroin, these issues would come to the fallfront and become consuming, and left him anxious, and unable to relax. I really liked this dude, be it on the smack, or even not on it.
So that's Franks assessment, an assessment not based on years of medical study, disease, psychiatric illnesses, but just a study from a degree of science - almost, and life experience itself.
Well anyway, on a habit, he hurt himself, and woke up severely withdrawing, and committed a criminal act, by entering a place/a something in the hospital, in an attempt to get narcotics. Personally I have been told by the med;'s that people come in, and within  24 sometimes 36 hours, go through a range of withdrawal symptoms etc, so this story is not uncommon, nor was his getting up, and trying to get some drugs, hed had a car accident, concussed and so fucking what.
Anyway since them I hadn't seen him for years, about 2, and a couple of days ago saw him coming out of a Dr's rooms, and he didn't recognize me, he had the "IM waked out on psych drug look- and he couldn't keep still, be it his legs twiddling, or his hands moving, all this uncontrollable, and I see this, and I hear the Dr say to my friend. Your doing really well, keep it up. And I sat their, and on the inside I wept, a friend, lost and fucked up by our caring medical fucking community.

So Franks is having a bitch, hope that this is okay, if not wipe it please, as I don't want to add to the bullshit of this world.  HE should of been put on legal narcotics, albeit suppressing a so called mental illness, rather than now being addicted to fucking heavy duty psych drugs, that have a long half life, hence build up, are usually neurotoxic and OH well, just another friend, a friends whose brain is now that scrambled, he didn't recognize me, and I stood in front of him and tried to talk to him outside the Dr surgery, and my friend is no longer their, no fucking idea who I was,  I'm sick of it, sick of the drug companies dealing their shit drugs, when good ones, ones that make you feel good, suprress trauma and some mental disorders and could benefit are made illegal, Sick of these lying sack of shit Doctors that give these drugs out like fucking lollies, These drs are sick to be doing this, sick in the sense of having some sort of I NEED TO THINK I AM HELPING OTHERS, Theirs obviously some good ones, that agree with Frank, and I dare say it is these big pharma companies making these shitful neurotoxic drugs, in the first place, and government regulations that make it hard for a Dr to supply perhaps depressed patients with MDA in conjunction with councilling/therapy, Narcotics to those where it would, or could suppress their mental obsessions and issues, rather than be put on neurotoxic drugs with horrendous side effects - chemical labotomy effects and FOR LIFE., They aren't even told of free radicals, and the easy use of vitamin E, to help combat this,
So sorry all to be dumping these views, and I am sure many of you, feel the same, its just when I saw a mate, an old good friend in such a state, it totally rocked me, and Im not going to just do nothing, so Ill be contacting someone, perhaps even speak to his fucking moron Dr. Discuss this with the ethic committee,
This aint the first time shit like this has happened,

Frank

ps, Ill probably delete this, I just needed to say it,. and I daresay, were alll sick of it,

Jon, the dude didn't recognize me, his legs wouldn't stop jangling and uncontrollably moving, either his legs, or if he stood still his arms and hands would start. On gear he came across normal, drove,had a couple of close friends, girlfriend, wasn't like this, I am shattered, and Ive seen this before and this time IVe rambled about it.
I also have to say, our communication over opiates and you schooling me to possibilities of the basic codeine/morphine structure, 3 -OH .6 - OCH3 (HE may have the numbering the wrong way)and various oxidiising reactions to get the 6 pos to a ketone, and further ox to promote a hydroxy at the 14th position, and reacting that with a range of anhydrides, or maybe even alkanoics, to get to very increased bioactivity etc, well explaining half of this to someone not fucked up on legal psych drugs, would go over their heads. I hear what your saying though, and more personal power in the saying of this, and I do appreciate the schooling, the help you gave me to see these possibilities, and I suppose this is what the forum is about, helping others take back power taken from them, albeit to protect one from themselves, MY comments warrant protection from the protectors, and it is insidious, and I also believe, if you take away someones legal habit, be it smoking, going to a ritual meeting about GOdly things, be it alcohol, or some habitual feel good, take that away, get them to open up to a shrink, I guarantee mental illness has risen in away never before seen. Personally Ive got a Dr, who thinks Franks quite balanced and doing well, another one who thinks I have a paranoid personality, another one who sees me as an addict, well he treats me like I am, and many many friends who have been diagnosed with at least 6 - 8 mental conditions.
Anyway, its pointless me rambling on, I just got shattered over it, dumped it here, and will no delete, as what is the point in pointing to some obvious truth, that everyone Id imagine in a forum such as this sort of feels.

yep, but when it gets close, its felt more so, and Ive got to do something, not sure what, and I just went to delete, and can only delete my post, so that would leave you talking about something with no context.

@ Vesp, or Sedit, can you remove, as I was just griping about an issue that hit me hard, but its just stating the obvious, and no-one needs me to be pointing that out.

Thanks  Frank.

allergy lane
zyprexa extrapyramidal reactions, antideprssants=bipolar mania psychosi i mean.
i feel your pain and i really do.

why not engage in a little phillanthropy and keep him in stash? i showed you how.

Wjen I saw him, and him leaving, I followed, and called out his name, he turned around, and didn't recongnize me, I hadn't seen him for 2 years, but had known him for a good 10. I kept on saying its me" FRANK", dont you remember me, and he was twiching uncontrollably and looked completely lost, and didn't appear to have recognition, and this in itself is not just the factor I began this thread with, and anyway I had an appointment with another Dr at the same complex, and had to return. My point about the use of opiates, is from my perception a number of people with perhaps underlying psych issues appear quite stable whilst using smack, and perhaps Im wrong, but feel it would be quite likely this friend and a couple others I have known in my life, instead of being zonked out on antiphycotics, or antidippresents, or these new trialed neuroleptics, or the older ones still in clinical use with horendous siide effects for quite a few of such people, well I believe in such circumstances opiates do indeed mask many phycological disturbances, without the memory issue, brain cells dying due to a build up of drugs that are proven to be neurotoxic, due to their long half lifes and structure/ The correlation with heorin use, was that my friend was fine on the stuff, and when he wasn't due to circumstances described, hed flip out. Anyway, Im making an effort to find him, and have made an appointment with my good Dr, who I will discuss this situation with. I doubt hell intervene, but I will try to get my friend a second opinion. I dont understand why the hospital didn't get drug and alcohol involved, and get him on methadone or something, perhaps buprenorphine, but Ive figured hed have a psych profile, hence be classified under their caring protocols. Ill leave it at that, as it was just me having a gripe over a mate getting his head fried with legal psych drugs, etc etc.

Frank I was just having a conversation via PM with a freind on another site about the use of some simular medications such as xanax and opiates as anti depressents. He noted to me some of the older psych books use to recommend using xanax and whatnot for its antidepresent effects yet because of abuse potential it has been completely written out of the newer books and no mention is even made of this effect.

He seems very knowledgable on this subject and I will request that he join us in this conversation as well since his input would be of great use.

jon's comming to the rescue with home chem friendly synthesizabe oipiates a whole class of them.
alas research/expirimentation takes time but dipropionalmorphine from tasmananian poppy seed is a real winner more to follow.
heroin helper coming to the rescue!!!

it is'nt ass addictive as hereoin because it's longer acting 16 hours i did it  straight week and experienced 0 withdrwals less respiratory depression than heroin and 05% more potent.