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acaias for all
« on: November 30, 2009, 01:20:47 AM »
has anyone ever tried playing with acacias?  several times in my life i have heard various comments regarding them but this is the first definate comment--and there are no links to the "scientific papers" mentioned..... this is a comment from erowid
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Consumption of Acacia berlandieri Benth. by domestic livestock during periods of drought may result in a locomotor ataxia, as well as having negative effects on intake and male fertility. Four phenolic amines (N-methyl-β-phenethylamine, tyramine, N-methyltyramine, and hordenine), had previously been extracted from the plant, and N-methyl-β-phenethylamine has been shown to negatively impact fertility in female Angora goats. In order to clarify the possible role of other secondary compounds from previous termAcacia berlandierinext term on non-lethal toxicities in domestic livestock, leaf samples collected in the spring and autumn were subjected to rigorous chemical analysis. In addition to the four previously detected amines, 29 other alkaloids and amines were isolated and identified by GC-MS, these including nicotine, nornicotine, mescaline, mimosine, and four amphetamines. A significant increase in the number and relative quantities of these compounds was observed in late season foliage.


Acacia berlandieri treeMethamphetamine has been reported to occur naturally in Acacia berlandieri and possibly Acacia rigidula, trees that grow in west Texas. Acacia trees contain numerous other psychoactive compounds (e.g. amphetamine, mescaline, nicotine, dimethyltryptamine ... [49]), but scientific papers specifically mentioning the presence of methamphetamine did not exist until 1997
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Re: acaias for all
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 02:05:41 PM »
This is interesting as if the amounts are high enough this tree would make a hell of a coctail just some extraxting and purification away  :o
But I'd assume that the amounts are very small. In any case is the whole tree full of it, or is it concentrated to roots or leaves?

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 03:04:16 AM »
ive got a heap of madienii :)

its active just to smoke the bark though not a lot.

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2009, 02:40:31 PM »
If it is that active then extraction should be feasible.
I'd like to try separating the compounds a little. But the whole coctail sure sounds interesting.
Now I need to locate some acaias.  ;D

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From wikipedia:
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Alkaloids

A. berlandieri contains a number of diverse alkaloids, the most plentiful of which are N-methylphenethylamine, tyramine, and phenethylamine. In a recent study, researchers identified thirty-one alkaloids in samples of plant foliage, including trace amounts of five amphetamines previously believed to be human inventions:[5] amphetamine, methamphetamine, N,N-dimethylamphetamine, p-hydroxyamphetamine and p-methoxyamphetamine. Other trace alkaloids include DMT (found in many related species), nicotine, and mescaline (found in many cacti but infrequently in other plants). The same group of researchers later reported finding most of the same alkaloids in A. rigidula, a related species also native to the Southwestern U.S. The findings, however, have never been confirmed or repeated, leading some researchers to believe the results were the result of cross-contamination.

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Some chemical compounds found in Acacia berlandieri

Total alkaloids in dried leaves 0.28-0.66%.

    * Beta-methyl-phenethylamine
    * Catechin
    * Fisetin
    * Hordenine
    * Phenethylamine
    * Quercetin
    * Tyramine
    * Tryptamine 90-124 ppb in spring, 287-334 ppb in fall
    * Dimethyltryptamine fall only, 75-114 ppb




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_berlandieri



And then some more:

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Chemical compounds found in Acacia rigidula

    * 3,4,5-Trihydroxy-phenethylamine (demethylated mescaline)[5]
    * Methamphetamine
    * Anhalamine[5]
    * Beta-methyl-phenethylamine[5]
    * Catechin[5]
    * Dimethyltryptamine 323.8 ppm spring, 568.4 ppm fall[6]
    * Fisetin[5]
    * Hordenine[5]
    * Mescaline[5]
    * N-Methyltryptamine 4.6 ppm spring, 54.9 ppm fall[6]
    * Nicotine[5]
    * Nornicotine[5]
    * Phenethylamine[5] 2314.6 spring, 5264.8 fall[6]
    * Quercetin[5]
    * Tyramine[5]
    * Tryptamine 0.8 ppm spring, 21.2 ppm fall[6]

These findings have never been confirmed or discussed and are considered by some to be unlikely and a product of contamination or a hoax. Some of the apparently found phenylethylamines were previously only known as man-made and their discovery would have been quite revolutionary. Also the authors of the 1998 study did not answer written requests.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acacia_rigidula

I for one feel that somking the three bark is rather rigiduluais activity  :D
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Re: acaias for all
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2009, 02:00:21 AM »
yeah it sounds like its got great potential!!! thank fuck i'm not a stud goat ;)
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 10:12:55 AM »
great business idea seeing how the suplement industry is unregulated we could sell standard extracts on ebay.
you know hard penis type pills and whatnot

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 10:35:40 PM »
That would be most interesting. And if the "supplement" is banned, it will just drive more interest towards the plant  ;D

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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2009, 05:19:20 PM »
by concentrate i mean super concentrate you know chrmatography and all to it's most powerful form then we could just say hey were just selling supplements!
they'd have to back off.

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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2009, 08:19:55 PM »
Could have various concentrations I.e 10X 100x 5X and whatever concentration yields the pure alkaloid.
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2009, 08:52:39 PM »
you can put pharms and ilicit substacnces in supplements and noone would bat an eye.

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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2009, 03:59:35 PM »
don't know if it's still up dukes phyto chemical database is the shit

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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2009, 11:18:35 PM »
by concentrate i mean super concentrate you know chrmatography and all to it's most powerful form then we could just say hey were just selling supplements!
they'd have to back off.

Chromatography-grade is not synonymous with quantity or concentration but with purity.

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2009, 02:31:15 AM »
Yeah, does anyone have an extensive list of the different chemicals found in these trees and the concentrations as well as quantities?
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2009, 03:42:43 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2010, 12:27:37 AM »
don't know if it's still up dukes phyto chemical database is the shit
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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2010, 11:40:45 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2010, 12:35:26 AM »
Search for acaias @ http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/

Nice Link!! ;D

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