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Rhodium Archive
« on: February 22, 2010, 10:37:23 PM »
We now have a rhodium archive up that Naf1 has taken time to put together, it iis more complete then the ones hosted at other places, such as erowid, etc. and it will be continually updated to become more and more complete. You can thank Naf1 for this, I have done very little, but I am glad to see it up and hope to help out with it soon.  :D

For obvious reasons we do not want it indexed so we have it password protected. However, we do want it to be useful for people at The Vespiary, and other like minded places such as WD, SM, etc. So feel free to share it with people who will not lower the signal to noise ratio.

In order to log in and view the material, use this information:

Username: thevespiary
Password: depidyhk

If you have any files that we are missing on the rhodium archive, please let us know. It would be nice to share.

Comments welcome.  :)

Edit: Oops: http://127.0.0.1/rhodium/
« Last Edit: February 23, 2010, 04:01:07 AM by Vesp »
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The Vespiary Rhodium & Hive Archive [Online Now!]
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2010, 11:32:47 PM »
And the address of course would be;

http://127.0.0.1/rhodium/

Username: thevespiary
Password: depidyhk

As Vesp said we are still working on certain aspects at the moment, we have got the Hive archive running at a minimal but should be fully functional in the very near future. Also if anyone could report any dead links or anything not working please let us know and we will fix it ASAP, and the little things that are not currently working should be also be up in the very near future.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2010, 04:19:55 AM by Naf1 »

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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 03:54:47 AM »
a screen comes up and asks for my username and password, but it wont let me pass into archive. whats up ??.

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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2010, 04:00:04 AM »
And you are entering the password and user name correctly?
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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 10:33:10 AM »
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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 04:31:30 AM »
here's a little more to add, someone put these up on WD a long time ago.  not sure if they're still there or not, but here they are in case you want to add them to the primary rhodium page.  i have the synthetikal forum archive also which probably all you guys have too.  just wanted to put the offer out there to contribute to reload all the info from back in the day

the hive 1998-2000 (before the first server crash)
http://rapidshare.com/files/356895550/The_Hive__1998-2000_.zip.html

the hive 1998 (oldest archive i've ever seen)
http://rapidshare.com/files/356896478/Uncle_Fester_Hive__1998_.zip.html

hyperlab, this is not complete whatsoever, but it is 100+ threads of what i consider interesting material.  all translated from russian to english
http://rapidshare.com/files/356898341/Russian_Hive_-_Hyperlab.zip.html

i also attached a lost gem, it was a pictorial by Raffike of an Al/Hg w/ MeAm ala Osmium & BrightStar style.  Not sure whether it would've been qualified as rhodium-worthy, but rhodium did find Raffike's other pictorial (the MeAm synth) to be useful enough to put it up on rhodium.  anyway here it is for all you collectors out there
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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 08:51:25 PM »
Thanks a lot for the contributions! :D Very much appreciated.
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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2010, 01:26:18 PM »
here's trimmed-down synthetikal archive.  it takes you to an alice in wonderland picture that has links, click the "synthetikal archive 1" link on the bottom, the rest of the links are broken by me on purpose because their just the same hive and rhodium archive that you guys already have up, the content is the exact same as what you guys have up so i trimmed it out to make it a much much smaller download with only the synthetikal forum.

http://rapidshare.com/files/357445454/synthetikal.zip.html

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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2010, 08:53:05 PM »
Thanks Doogie!

I think the Hive archive should be the same, the Rhodium archive maybe the same template but the one hosted here is much more complete(working links). You have some real gems in your collection, I will download the synthetikal stuff.

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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 03:53:09 AM »
wow heaven REALLY does exist  :o  8);D and its buzzin :D
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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 05:18:00 AM »
This is neat to be getting all of the files like this organized and easily accessible. Hopefully this will help add some more quality members to the site.
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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2010, 01:34:15 PM »
What does the new wasp collective think of improving the Rhodium archive hosted here?

Wait a minute! Wait a minute! This is not blasphemy! Think of it more as the sacred order cleaning and repairing cracks only after agreement is reached and changes noted.

I bring this up because just a minute ago I read an error and wondered why we cant fix it here. I'm sure others have found errors as well.

Now for a more controversial bit, I for one think that this spreading around of info on different pages is shit. Having many different piles of info leads to redundancy at best and things not being found much more often.

I call for a grand consolidation of the sacred order's library to be compiled, with much respect and changes marked, under the name of the chief bee himself, Rhodium. Rhodium's page has been the go-to page for drug chem for quite some time now. I think it could be improved for the benefit of all.

Possible stages of the modification of Rhodium's site hosted here:

1) Do nothing

2) Fix errors

3) Expand existing pages with additional relevant info

4) Add additional pages

And we can organize it a bit more, too.

This isn't crazy. It is done out of love and laziness. Why go and search 10 different places when you could just come and search one? And how lovely a tribute to put Rhodium's name on top.

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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 10:43:57 PM »
"I bring this up because just a minute ago I read an error and wondered why we cant fix it here. I'm sure others have found errors as well."

We can, I actually asked if anyone found any errors to please note them here and I will fix them ASAP.

"Possible stages of the modification of Rhodium's site hosted here:

1) Do nothing

2) Fix errors

3) Expand existing pages with additional relevant info

4) Add additional pages

And we can organize it a bit more, too."

Fixing errors is a given, a list needs to be compiled somewhere of the errors/deadlinks so I can go through the list and fix them. I have been slowly expanding the archive like this (Methylmans Famous write up);
http://127.0.0.1/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/wacker.benzo-meoh.html

If you scroll right down to the bottom you will see a reference section has been added, with the appropriate literature their to read. Which is;

Synthesis by-products from the Wacker oxidation of safrole in
methanol using r-benzoquinone and palladium chloride

M. Cox a,*, G. Klass b
Forensic Science International 164 (2006) 138–147

Abstract
This paper reports the identification of a number of by-products, which are produced during the Wacker oxidation of safrole to 3,4-
methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone (MDP2P) using r-benzoquinone and palladium chloride when methanol is utilised as the solvent. Also
described is the retrieval of these compounds from illicit samples from a clandestine laboratory, which was uncovered in South Australia in
September 2003.

And the paper documents the Methylman oxidation, and the by products produced etc. And actually refers to the method they use as; The procedure of MethylMan and link the methyl man page on rhodium archive in the references. Apart from fixing it and maybe adding things like that, we were not planning to add anything not contained in the original. A new archive of new procedures could be made as you stated, but we would have to change the Rhodium name! The Vespiary archive maybe?

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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 12:50:28 AM »
I think everyone probably knows this, but if not... S.C. Wack of Sciencemadness has a large collection of PDF and DjVu documents from Rhodium's site on his 4shared site wack.4shared.com. It is available as a giant multi-part RAR file. It is about 2 GB to download all parts and is much more complete than e.g. the collection of documents on Erowid.

Apropos point 3 above, if y'all aren't concerned about copyright infringement, I think the various Rhodium pages could really be enhanced by linking to full-text copies of the articles cited. I mention Wack's collection because I think it is a great starting point for collecting all the primary literature referenced by the Rhodium pages.

If anyone here has the skills and motivation, I think the Rhodium collection should really be converted to a wiki with a controlled list of people who can make changes. I would gladly dive in to connecting every reference with a full-text article on a wiki. I know that setting up a wiki is more work, and I know it's a lot easier to propose something than to do it, but I think if you could do a wiki the work of improving the Rhodium collection would then be a lot easier to spread around.

Or rather than trying to convert the collection all at once, I would propose that you set up the wiki and any time we want to enhance an article, put the enhanced version in the wiki, instead of correcting the original. Keep the originals as historical documents. That way there's a growing incentive over time to use and keep improving the wiki collection, with less work up front just to get it started.

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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2010, 01:58:17 AM »
We have kind of started already not with the wiki part which sounds very interesting, but in at least having a full working copy of the rhodium archive (how is was) to work with. Please check this out as 95% of the links work and link back to the original papers;

http://thevespiary:depidyhk@www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/

It is already much more comprehensive than Erowids, as you said none of their links to the original papers work etc. We still have much work to do, but it will get there, I like you wiki idea it already growing on me! If you find something not working let me know and it will be fixed ASAP.

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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2010, 02:37:44 AM »
We have kind of started already not with the wiki part which sounds very interesting, but in at least having a full working copy of the rhodium archive (how is was) to work with. Please check this out as 95% of the links work and link back to the original papers;

http://thevespiary:depidyhk@www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/

It is already much more comprehensive than Erowids, as you said none of their links to the original papers work etc. We still have much work to do, but it will get there, I like you wiki idea it already growing on me! If you find something not working let me know and it will be fixed ASAP.

Yeah, this seems better than Erowid's copy, but I mean enhancing Rhodium articles like this one:

http://127.0.0.1/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/isosafrole.piperonal.html

It, like most docs in the Rhodium-collection, cites references in the traditional way (journal, authors, volume/issue, page numbers). I think those old-style text references should be enhanced with DOIs and (if management agrees) hyperlinked to copies of the actual full text sources stored on the Vespiary, so you don't need academic library access to read the cited primary literature. Of course people can request cited articles, and they do, but I think a lot of duplicated article-hunting effort would be avoided if all those Rhodium articles had links to the full text of cited refs.

Keep in mind that Wack's collection contains a lot of PDF and DjVu files that were never linked to from article pages in the Rhodium collection, stuff that was interesting but only loosely organized. It was basically a big file-dump location on the Hive, and I think that's what he has a mirror of (along with the more obvious HTML documents).

Edit: I forgot, there are certainly many pages that do link to full-text docs as suggested, but the work is far from complete to get all cited works set up that way. I think completing the effort, and making other enhancements, would be easier with a wiki going forward since that is a natural and low-effort way to distribute document editing work.
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2010, 03:52:02 AM »
Sounds excellent, also if the articles we had were indexed and entered into a searchable database like RSC, sciencedirect etc it would be great! To do all this would take alot of work though, as entering in the abstarcts and titles of the papers so they could be searched for keywords for example would be excellent. You are completely right about the links also, if you were to copy and paste that reference into google for example, you would probably not get the paper you were after. And trying to track down some of them is hard with that limited info provided, obviously there is no way to browse the S.WACK collection as its archived (you need to download the whole 2gb yeah?).

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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2010, 04:16:38 AM »
Sounds excellent, also if the articles we had were indexed and entered into a searchable database like RSC, sciencedirect etc it would be great! To do all this would take alot of work though, as entering in the abstarcts and titles of the papers so they could be searched for keywords for example would be excellent. You are completely right about the links also, if you were to copy and paste that reference into google for example, you would probably not get the paper you were after. And trying to track down some of them is hard with that limited info provided, obviously there is no way to browse the S.WACK collection as its archived (you need to download the whole 2gb yeah?).

Yeah, the Wack collection needs to be downloaded in full. If the Rhodium collection is annotated so every article directly links to the full text of its references I think that will save a lot of work. We don't need to enter abstracts for all those papers. If we name all the ones that have a DOI after the DOI, that is a simple system that should prevent duplicate article copies being used for different pages' references. Some refs won't have a DOI, and those are a little trickier, but I don't think those refs are reused across pages so much that there will be a big problem with duplication of files.

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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2010, 04:43:59 AM »
Now that I have opened my big mouth...

I think I was looking at http://127.0.0.1/rhodium/Rhodium/chemistry/cocainesynth.buzz.html

Second paragraph under the Cocain section:
"If you can get egconine, then dissolve 8.5 g of it in 100 ml of ethanol and pass (bubble) dry HCl gas through this solution for 30 min. Let cool to room temp and let stand for another 1.5 hours. Gently reflux for 30 min and evaporate in vacuo. Basify the residue oil with NaOH and filter to get 8.4 g of methylecgonine,"

Ester formation from ethanol would be the ethyl ester of ecgonine, which is not leading to cocaine. I think it should be methanol, but someone else let me know. And he misspells ecgonine.

I also think someone should put the clickable nomograph that timecube borrowed from sigma's web site on to the Rhodium nomograph page.

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Re: Rhodium Archive
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2010, 04:49:24 AM »
An idea I once had was to add a comment section below each page on the RA's to allow for discussion and comments about the procedures. As the one above, some are a bit questionable, or at least can appear that way and might need further explantions, corrections, etc...  These comments if they were used properly would allow for more references, resources, and feedback for others who would use it or have questions about said articles. Of course, it would have to be highly moderated and probably isn't worth the time and effort. Just an idea that might further make it more useful.
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