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Tsathoggua

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Average ergoamide/ergopeptide yield of C.purpurea in submerged culture?
« on: April 05, 2010, 09:05:25 PM »
What is the average yield, of the lysergamide/ergopeptide type alkaloids isolable from average productive strains of Claviceps Purpurea?

Van urk reagent can be used to distinguish between productive and nonproductive strains, if I am not mistaken?

One last question, is if stored dry (not dessicated, just not damp), in sealed, airfree bags in a fridge, how long can ergot sclerotia be expected to remain viable? I wouldn't like to have to wait until next autumn....
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Re: Average ergoamide/ergopeptide yield of C.purpurea in submerged culture?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2010, 11:12:27 PM »
I will direct you towards the original patent filed by A. Stoll et. al, as it was written in 1956 and the methods are much more reproducible than other techniques in use in labs today.

Process for the Preparation of Ergotamine and Ergonometrine Ergotaminine and Ergonometrine by Saprophytic Culture of Ergot (Claviceps Purpurea[fr]tul)in vitro and isolation of the alkaloids thus pruduced.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2809920.html

I know the spores would keep for a long time in the fridge, you would imagine the mycelium would also keep for some time. You could use some sterile technique to take some tissue cultures to multiply the amount you have and therefore the chances of success. A good project would be taking a tissue culture followed by fruiting that culture on rye in a small terrarium and collecting the spores! (then send me some! ;D ).

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Re: Average ergoamide/ergopeptide yield of C.purpurea in submerged culture?
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2010, 11:17:15 PM »
hxxp://www.erowid.org/plants/ergot/ergot_chemistry1.pdf

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Re: Average ergoamide/ergopeptide yield of C.purpurea in submerged culture?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 12:39:20 AM »
Hmmm, interesting.

Especially the part about a colorimetric test using vanillin, I guess in a modification of the van urk reagent in place of 4-DMAB ?

That would be a lot more available and not to mention useful, given that fresh van urk reagent would be needed any time one wishes to do the test, and only a small amount of vanillin would be needed, and we ALL know what else vanillin is useful for....

There is some funky stuff going into the growth medium in that first patent link, Naf1, Be, Ti, Ni, Co..
What the heck is beryllium doing in there?
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Re: Average ergoamide/ergopeptide yield of C.purpurea in submerged culture?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 12:59:21 AM »
lol, I missed the berylium dinitrate! Wow, berylium compounds are on the national pollutant inventory nowadays. I am glad I did not need any Ergotamine, Ergonometrine, Ergotaminine or Ergonometrine in the 60's! And berylliosis would be about as much fun as ergotism, anyway.....

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Re: Average ergoamide/ergopeptide yield of C.purpurea in submerged culture?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 01:44:00 AM »
I'm sure it isn't actually nescessary, although perhaps it may play a role as an active site in some enzyme or other, after all, some elements we twolegs use.

Although, perhaps it has a connection with the fact that it inhibits alkaline phosphatase enzymes, and to do with some or other variable of phosphate availability, as whilst essential to the mycelium bulking phase, high phosphate levels in culture inhibit alkaloid formation, in fact, I have a paper somewhere where they use arsenite salts as a metabolic poison to interfere with inorganic phosphate absorbtion and this apparently increases ergot alkaloid production by 100%.

Rather not have to use it though, although if one is buggering about with arsenic compounds, disdaining use of an element due to potential toxicity seems redundant and/or ironic really.
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