Seperating propylhexedrine...

Mizaxx · Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:01 am

Swim has been searching on most conventional channels for a procedure to seperate Propylhexedrine from lavender oil and menthol.

Couldn't he just utailze a standard Acid/Base titration?

And wouldn't the ingestation of said lavender oil and/or menthol make one very sick?

Swim is a resonable fellow who does not have high hopes for this isolated "drine", but wanted to experiment in new areas. Any further guidence would be greatly appreciated as not much seems to be written about ppdrine except the inhalers from dayz long gone.

Mizaxx

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

an a/b would be needed, of course. but initial distillation of the oil is vital!

stratosphere · Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:46 pm

washing the cotton plug with an NP (pet ether or whatever), then washing the NP solvent+NP washed cotton plug with a dilute acid should do the trick.

searching google reveals there is some precedent for abuse of this substance so it must have some effect, there is also some precident for overdose deaths and deaths caused by chronic use, couldn't find any info on how much it takes though.

Mizaxx · Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:41 am

Swim gives thanx. He mumbled something about this weekend before he went to sleep.

From what he was saying, this chem is rarely utalized-mainly cause it is said to be rather weak. Wikipidia states that the seven deaths were from iv use. Scary thought.

Mizaxx · Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:18 am

Swim has reported that the np extract and wash with dilute HCL was effective, however the yeild seemed low...which was more likely a result of sloppy half drunk/bored work.

Another thing he dug up is...

1 cup water (warm)
8 cottons from inside of SOURCE (manually shredded)
1-1/3 tsp Muratic acid
let sit 20 minutes
strain and keep excess liquid from inhalers in jar
pour 1/2 in Pyrex (clear) pan
low heat, NEVER let boil
swish liquid to cool
liquid will turn to syrup
ESPECIALLY NOW do not overheat (low-mid on oven)
try to evenly distribute the syrup by allowing pools to flow around pan
when syrup flows no more, stop
let pan cool 10 minutes
scrape bottom of pan with razor

-SWIM note...upon evap' the menthol becomes very ummm, liberated into the air

Now he said that this did provide a much higher yield, however the resulting coumpound was rather waxy and unfit for a bio-essay from vaporizing or insulfation. Upon takin orally (125mg) it was reported to be cns stimulating with warm flushing of the body. No considerable amount of euphoria was experenced, as expected.
Perhaps the next time swim has time he will proceed with the np soak/hcl wash in a more controlled manner. He will let me know what he finds.

stratosphere · Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:13 pm

just out of curiousity would you rate it as being better or worse then a similiar dose of ephedrine?

its probobly of not of much interest from a practical standpoint, but i know when cyclohexane is passed over Pd,Pt at high temps it gives of hydrogen and becomes benzene, i wonder if this would become N-methyl-amphetamine under similiar circumstances.

Mizaxx · Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:38 pm

Sorry for the very delated reply...

SWIM has been very busy with lifestyle-engineering around this time.

However I did finally hang out with him and he claimed he takes around 50mg of ephedrine in the morning during workdayz and is somewhat familar with its therapudic (my sp is tearable) effects. The poly-drine was signifigantly stronger in the cns stimulation, however it still laked the euphoria of recreational stimulants, and carried on the irritability similar to higher doses of ephedrine. Swim is unshure of the threshold effects as he dosed rather low from the results of that extraction. He did note that even with only two "starting products" utalized in the process, the menthol dissipitation into the surrounding enviroment was strong enough to numb the throat and irritate the eyes within the confines of a large room. He recomended that if any larger scale extraction were to be done that a sufficent ventilation system be used. And another point...many fibers from the starting media as well as some of the lavender oil was carried over into the final product. Swim recomended 5+ of these mediums to start and when the final product is obtained from the process stated b4, that an a/b titration bee carried out. That should give noone a dry crystaline product is sufficent quantity to be furthur experimented with.

The results of the crude extraction was mainly fit for oral ingestation. Upon the attempt to vaporize, many of the side products carried over produced a harsh and unplesant vapor but with marked and immediate euphoria....but still not on par with common recreational phenethylamines.

Swim will be around and someone will report his results on any future runs.