Re:Safrole? Iso-Safrole

methyl_ethyl · Riedel De Haen

Stoopid1980:

Although your original query was misinterpreted, your original question was still unanswered, and I apologize for this. I know what you speak of, and have ingested this very substance. Your thread was locked, although I feel that those that locked it could not justifyably do so. Yes the original question may have been better worded with further research on your part. That being said this substance as far as I know has not been fully characterized.

I was only given ~100mg of product procured from a "phish" festival, marketed as "sassy", just enough for a bio-assay, not enough for further analytical analysis. The crystals were much larger and cuboidal in formation than any other MDxx crystals I have seen, almost indicative of some sort of carbohydrate contamination / additive. The colour was just as you described, I recall an amber smokey colouration to the large cubic crystals. The effects upon bio-assay were "marginal" I would assume un-experienced users would call it "clean".

At first my thoughts regarding this product were as follows: Substance procured at a Phish concerto, mostly comprised of a "hippy" type massive. Historically this population prefers "organic" less "refined" consumables. Take for instance tubinado sugar instead of pure white refined cane sugar. I thought the same went for MDxx. I assumed that this culture utilized minimal purification technques in order to market their product with less manipulaton as far as purification goes in order to market a profitable product. At first I thought that some intelligent marketing chemists got together and decided they could market a product at a premium that employs a less complex purification scheme.

After visually inspecting the product and bio-assaying I am not sure what the hell it is. It has some of the effects of MDMA however I don't think any properties of MDA were present as the effects were very short lasting.

I suspect the psychosomatic effects of the drug are highly evident as the population that is using the drug is marketing it as an "organic", "natural" high.

I think the thread should stay open until actual analytical analysis of this substance referred to as "sassy" is performed. From what I have gathered the visual identification and bio-assay of this substance has remained quite consistant for quite a long time accross the US.

Understand that your query is looked down upon chemists because of nature of the query itself. It may not make any sense to chemists, however since the Phish crowd utilized abusive nomenclature (i.e. sassy) to describe the product, it is hard for those fundamental chemists to grasp what it is you are actually asking.

That porbably makes no sense, I know.....

much_love

methyl_ethyl

The_Dude · Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:43 pm

And as far as Isosafrole goes, don't ever ingest it, as it causes schizophreic episodes to occur.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/141/8/997

methyl_ethyl · Riedel De Haen

PolyAlchemia · Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:21 pm

I have also encountered this "sassy" term at hippie festivals in the new england area. At inspection of the product I concluded that it was probably some poor quality product contaminated with some of the starting material.

Of all the persons I encountered that were pushing this stuff no one had a the depth of knoweldge to explain entomology of the phrase. It might also be possible that the sassafras oil was intentionally put into the final product for its smell- possibly for product differentiation. This would certainly be a sign that the stuff was domestic and not some adulterated X tab imported from who knows where.

methyl_ethyl · Riedel De Haen

Of all the persons I encountered that were pushing this stuff no one had a the depth of knoweldge to explain entomology of the phrase.

I am quite confident that insects had nothing to do with this nomenclature LOL!

I think I know what you meant, etiology perhaps, i.e. no one had the depth of knowledge to explain any causative reasoning as to why the substance was misnomered as "Sassy".

Good thoughts concerning the sassy oil being intentionally added to the final product. I never thought of that. I wouldn't put that past the phish massive. Hell, they pay top dollar for produce that is infested with parasites, nematodes, aphids, et al, just so they can feel better about consuming a "certified organic" product.

I could go on and on about "certified Organic" produce, however that would be (off topic)

The mystery still remains, what is this substance?

regards,

m_e

2spun · The Resistor

give me one i'll tell ya!

loki · guinea pig

somebee should grab some of this stuff and run it through a gcms gah dammit! or at least tlc it and show us some pictures of developed plates under high and low uv spectra and with a dye additive. that would confirm the number of substances in there at least.

loki · guinea pig

i dunno where you get your organic produce from, m_e but the stuff i see around the place hardly any visible difference or quality difference. the term is etymology btw

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

it's ETYMOLOGY, dear boys.

haha loki you win Smile

PolyAlchemia · Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:56 pm

thanks joe