making a sterile solution of DET for i.m. injection

the alchemist · Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:03 am

Suppose someone had synthesized a few grams of DET from tryptamine and ethyl bromide using triethylamine as a base a la Shulgin. Suppose this material was twice recrystallized from hexanes (major contaminant being the N-ethyl tryptamine) to yield a very pure product by NMR. (How do you post pics securely?)

This stuff is just too vile to vaporize and inhale. Having a burning/wheezing/coughing feeling in my lungs while tripping intensely on what seems like ~ 10 hits of LSD just isn't this bee's cup of tea. I can't even accurately measure out how much I took in with the loss of vapor and all. This is a rather nice compound except for that hollow chest feeling. It feels like someone scooped out everything between my ribcage. This feeling does not last too long. It also produced a numb feeling on the very tips of my lips. Despite all that, it made the leafless trees on a winter night look like arteries and veins reaching for the sky. I have never seen a tree the smae way since. Wink

It is also pleasurable to do when coming off of MDMA but it will set a whole new mood on things.

Now... how could this DET freebase be made into a sterile solution which could be injected intramuscularly? I notice that Shulgin states that the HCl salt of DET slowly darkens over time (sign of decomposition). It seems that the most enjoyable experiences were with i.m. anyway so I am curious about this route of administration.

p.s. I am very afraid of needles. Smile

p.p.s. DET is way better than DMT IMO. It is much more thought provoking and longer lasting.

THOTH · Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:16 am

For i.m. inJectioNs I'd maybee use fumarate or maleate salt?? Titrate freebASe in sterile maleic adci solution untill neuTHral and inject?mm =)

Oh Did U use commerciall tryptaMIne or homemade from decarbox of Trytophan?

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the alchemist · Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:19 am

Commercial tryptamine was used... wtf is written at the end of your message?

mk-1 · Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:51 pm

i dont like needles. I always prefer the oral route.

loki · guinea pig

as far as making it sterile goes... i dunno, i think if u recrystallise it in alcohol that's sterilised enough. then dissolve it in saline solution (i dunno the conc of NaCl and water of standard saline tho) and u should be good to go. i don't see any reason why to use the organic acid salts as opposed to an inorganic salt, mixed with the NaCl the HCl salt would buffer.

the alchemist · Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:05 pm

The reports in TIHKAL hint towards the fact that the oral route didn't seem to interesting. mk-1, do you think DET is good to take orally?

loki · guinea pig

what about snorting it?

methylenedioxy · Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:55 pm

it can be snorted. the dose needed is like i.m. injection. it's not very pleasent, but palatable according to my own and a couple of friends' experience. if you decide to inject, do this sidelong around the first 1/3 of the hip, counting up from the knee. there is no important nerves and blood vessels in this area. it's advisable to consult a drug application methods handbook.
during alkylation you can succesfully use k2co3 as a base, but the dmf (dmso, etc.) must be really dry and pure.
however, don't expect dmt effects. it's quite more smooth and human friendly (anyway i would prefer dmt, may be because i am an idiot Smile

the alchemist · Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:55 pm

I can't bring myself to snort things anymore... especially indole compounds (yuck). So the verdict is converting it to the fumarate salt (or ascorbate maybe?) and dissolving it in sterile water? Can one use reverse osmosis water?

I still like DMT but I am sort of timid and DMT frightens the shit out of me sometimes. I don't really have many coherent thoughts floweing through my mind except for fear itself. Smile

mk-1 · Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:59 pm

swim would give it a go orally. ofcourse i.m. would be more intense, but swim dont like needles. swim thinks combining det with maoi should be very very rewarding, also swim thinks det orally is nice.

loki · guinea pig

I personally have IM'd DMT before, I was ignorant of the proper ways of doing it, both in the use of saline, and the importance of ensuring it is put deep into muscle tissue (i did it in my shoulder). I found the ascorbate was the easiest to ensure it was not over acidified. if it was overacidified it does not work and causes a painful 'dead arm' feeling for a couple of hours afterwards. I would prefer to snort something than give myself an IM. With a properly prepared solution of a small volume, it doesn't hurt too much but ugh. subcutaneous hurts even more... so i prefer not to use needles at all.

what about shafting it?

loki · guinea pig

oh btw, if the solution was too acidic it didn't work either

radio879dmt · Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:43 am

I have IM'd DMT, I had just received some phosphoric acid so I decided to see if DMT phosphate would form a solid salt - which it did, then dissolved it in enough water to dissolve it all, made sure the ph was neutral, etc.

I think its the only way (except maybe eating 300mg+ orally with maoi) i'll get to hyperspace, I can't seem to smoke enough fast enough to quite get there.. with IM its similar to taking it orally w/harmaline but comes on faster and lasts 1/2 as long.

If you took it orally I think it would work much better with an maoi like harmala/line or moclobemide. When I took DPT orally with an maoi it worked MUCH better.