4-Methylaminorex

WoD_Survivor · Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:13 am

Being an old Bee viewer, never a Bee myself I am ever so happy to have come accross Synthetika! Thank you and keep up the work. I would like to be of some contribution, though I am not sure how I will do that just yet. Here is a little something for disscussion. Thanks in advance for all posts!

Concerning 4-MAR:

Question: Has anyone investigated the possibility of using MMA (Methyl Methacetate) to produce 4-Methylaminorex or a stereoisomer of? Other optional precursors PMMA (Poly Methyl Methacetate) or even MAA (MethAcrylic Acid)

Possible route: Using Reductive Amination [via Dissolving Metal Reduction (Internal Electrolytic Process)]/Reductive Alkylation (Dissolving Metal Reduction)

Hypothesis: Using the above precursors and the Dissolving Metal Reduction to reduce MMA to Methacrylamide Sulfate which is in return Alkylated into possibly 4-MAR or a stereoisomer of.

Method: Using standard charcoal (to absorb unwanted materials possibly including the formed Aluminum Hydroxide) as a bottom layer. Add to this MMA with Aluminum Foil layed accross the top. Using dilute HCl to begin Dissolving Metal Reduction. Air tight conditions within the reaction vessel will be needed so as to produce pressure. Away from the layer of reaction, one would need an area for crystalization to take place. One could theoretically use cotton strings hanging from the top of the reaction vessel that were not touching the chemicals bellow. Much time would be needed for proper reaction time and crystalization to take place (Approximately 30 days).

Disscussion: IMHO the Disssolving Metal Reduction would reduce MMA into Methacrylamide Sulfate [2-Methyl-2-Propenamide](See explaination at bottom of post)]. At this point I begin having a problem with the results. --What Imine is then being Alkylated? -- Is this a Primary or Secondary Amine used (Secondary)? -- What would the end product(s) be? -- Could the reaction and crystalization be carried out quicker in a more pressurized reaction vessel with out detrimental harm to the yield? -- What type of yield would be produced? It seems to me that there would have to be some type of side reaction to the produced Methacrylamide Sulfate creating the formed product. -- Anyone see anything I am missing, any suggestions? Hydrolysis?

*Certainly there is an anorexant born from this procedure.

**Production of Methyl Methacrylamide:

Prepared by the esterification of Methacrylamide Sulfate with Methanol. Methacrylamide Sulfate is produced by the reaction of Acetone and Hydrogen Cyanide forming Acetone Cyanohydrin. The Cyanohydrin is further treated with Sulfuric Acid to produce Methacrylamide Sulfate and the byproduct Ammonium Bisulfate.

***I have some organic chemistry knowledge, however not enough to put together or break down this synthesis. This has come from speaking with SWIOM as well as a good bit of research. I am lacking much and looking for further answers. Feel free to PM me for discussion, however, as a note: I cannot/will not attempt anything discussed. I am not currently capable of doing so, please do not ask. I have survived the war on drugs once, I will not tempt fate. I am only interested in the freedom of knowledge and brain candy which is protected by my First Amendment Rights.

Addition: What other possibilites could 2-Methyl-2-Propenamide produce and by what means?
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java · Consumer

Here is a thread on the 4-MAR synthesis the "shake and bake" and some of interest by Rhodium posted by Jacked on the same thread...........java

http://www.wetdreams.ws/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1716&whichpage=1

WoD_Survivor · Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:31 pm

Thanks! However, I am confused at to what this is producing. Any thoughts? I know that it is producing a speed. The crystals look like the common "ICE", which could be a number of things. Anyone else have some insight?

The Watcher · Dream Team

4-Methylaminorex is what they call Ice on the street it is a CNS that is stronger than methamphetaimine but dose not last quite as long in the human system (IMO)

java · Consumer

Here is a link to provide you with some more insight to what this compound is ..............java

4-MAR

WoD_Survivor · Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:16 pm

I have researched 4-MAR in depth. Thank you though. I am merely curious as to what the above posted synthesis is producing. I know it is producing a stimulant. Does anyone have any ideas as to what? Or as to how? The finished product resembles ICE. It may not be, however, it does resemble and has effects similiar to high grade methedrine but is still noticably different.

Guest · Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:22 am

WoD_Survivor · Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:43 pm

Ok, so it isn't creating 4-MAR. I appreciate the help there. I, unfortunately, don't understand organic chemistry well enough to look at the rings and such. I only knew that similar compounds were found in the PMMA/MMA makeup as to that of the 4-MAR precursors. I realize they aren't the same, but somewhat close. Where I live, people sell many different things as ICE. It is very annnoying to talk to the average street guy about drugs in the Southeast, US. I've heard the rumors from many people about using the method I have posted to create ICE, but I thought it to be fake. Then I met someone whom knew exactly how the procedure was done. He sells his product as ICE, and it's what this area is use to. I researched the chemicals and saw they were similiar and thought it would be a rather worth while post to learn from. I was always confused by the lack of PPA to be converted, though. So Organikum, any ideas as to what stimulant this is creating??

WoD_Survivor · Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:11 pm

Organikum:

After having read your post, I began thinking. I learned about the ingredients list from the web, not what he had used. I believe it may have merely been a coincidence that PMMA/MMA was what I found in a product I looked at and thought was what was being used as a precursor. I just started researching some and came across two different chemicals polyhexamethylene diisocyanate and 1,2-benzenedicarboxylic acid. These are also in products related to what SWIOM used. I am not sure as of yet what polyhexamethylene diisocyanate is, however with 1,2-benzenedicarboxylic acid wouldn't you have your Phenyl group produced by it's ability to undergo a reaction with OH so readily? Am I correct? What is your opinion? Or could it be the polyhexamethylene diisocyanate creating this stimulant, because the 1,2-benzenedicarboxlic acid does not come in the product SWIOM used just in a product that is used along side it? Also if you would like to PM with your e-mail addy, I will tell you what OTC source was used so that you can reveiw the different makeups of this source. I believe naming it here would be a violation of board policy, correct me if I am wrong. Thanks for the disscussion.