Cutting Opioids With Nicotine and Caffeine?

Fentasies · Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:52 pm

So lets say SWIM has an opioid, and SWIM wants to boost its addiction potential. So based on anti-smoking ad that said nicotine can be as addictive as heroin, SWIM goes, well hey then nicotine + heroin has to be as addictive as well, nicotine and heroin are!! Hey, caffeine's addictive too, lets add that as well.

Objections? Other than ethical, cause that dont matter to some SWIM's.

Mmmhmm. So then, most opioid users, well, hardcore users, like to IV their shit. So the % of caffeine and nicotine to be cut would have to correspond to amounts that a high-tolerant opioid user could withstand to IV without dying from them (being the nicotine or caffeine), yet not too low so that low/moderate users wont be affected by the nicotine (at least), and caffeine.

So I guess what SWIM needs the help of you all with is, what are the highest IV dosages of nicotine and caffeine a say 70kg human could withstand before any severe reactions??

Better yet if SWIY knows a SWIY whose fairy has cut caffeine into heroin, and if so does SWIY know the ratio used and the purity of the hero the fairy was dreaming of cutting?

gomer · Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:28 pm

Y dont u work it out for yourself by shooting nicotine & caffeine until u get sick and perhaps drop dead like some of your customers might.Ok gear gets cut with a bit of caffeine but nicotine i dont think so.

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

you better fuck off, sick bastard...i hope you get a big big carcinome in all your extremities for every "customer" you bring to addiction.

edited:white off works wonders with removing flames............java

java · Consumer

You need to search the pharmacology journals and find out the loading dose and there after.................java

Stinging_Nettle · Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:41 am

Well straight off the bat nicotine is far too toxic as its pure alkaloid. And I dont really think cutting it with caffeine is a great idea either. Obviously you want your product to taste bitter but in terms of making it more addictive?? The opiate itself is waht is considered addictive. Ever heard of people adding heroin to hashish and xtc? Obviously some people add caffeine to xtc, but even dxm, pcp and ephedrine gets cut with xtc so that isnt like it proves anything.

Fentasies · Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:23 am

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really? As its pure alkaloid?

When SWIM stopped smoking she was given a liquid nicotine transdermal, which contained pure nicotine... and SWIM was still alive.

Could you explain how its too toxic?

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

you could determine the LD on yourself! that would be in rewarding service for science.

nobodyimportant · Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:19 am

it's one thing to absorb nicotine and quiet another to ingest it. Trust me, you WILL end up dead.