Vacum & sand filters

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mon
(Stranger)
02-04-02 17:30
No 264946
Vacum & sand filters? Reply

swim is curious as hell to know the workings and makings of a vacum filter...and if one can be made with homemade materials?
The same goes for the sand filter.

P I E...P I E sweet american P I E!!!

ballzofsteel
(Newbee)
02-04-02 18:09
No 264961
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

Gdeemonn:look around brother,Im pretty sure Ive heard these things mentioned once or twice or five thousand times around these parts.
Be carefull!!! those things can be highly explosive if the
correct choice in sand is not made.
Good luck in your quest dude-balzbeseeinya

Scottydog
(Hive Bee)
02-04-02 23:27
No 265036
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

The newbee forum was probably most appropriate for this post. Go to the bottom of the page where the "entry" field is located type in sand filter in the box..click on "search" This will take you to (TFSE tm) as far as sand filters are concerned you can type "dwarfer" into the "by username" field at the top of this page. Click on search all posts and you might come up with a grip of interesting information. Not many people here are going to give you answers on a silver platter and do the research for you. Many are busy using TFSE in their own endevours. There is also a "search" button at the top of the page that will also take you there. Once you learn how to use this valueable resource...you might be surprised at the wealth of information that is literally a click away!...Good luck...Scottydog
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diogenes
(Hive Bee)
02-05-02 04:30
No 265106
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

Try Mister_Clean's, Simple Sand Filter---Post No 37094
I hope that'll help.
Peace Out!

DR.NOODLUM
(Member)
02-18-00 23:46
No 124136
SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

This Is For Any Newbees That Might Be Having Some Trouble Choosing A Brand Of Sudos For Their Dreams. I Will Be Adding More Brands To The List When I get The Time.
http://www.topcities.com/Science/captainm/sudos.html
GOOD LUCK TO ALL !!!

malaci
(Member)
02-19-00 03:37
No 124137
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

It seems the only one that does not have pvp is the good sence brand.The reason why is because the pseudo in these pills is not worth a damn.It's junk you might say not worth extracting.

Nystagmus
(Junior Member)
02-19-00 10:49
No 124138
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Thanks fellas...But which is the best? Do they all work? when getting your ratios together would one be able to use fewer pills with a higher mg/tablet content?

malaci
(Member)
02-19-00 14:34
No 124139
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

If i was you i would get to work on
extracting from ephedra that's what it's
going to come down to.

DR.NOODLUM
(Member)
02-20-00 12:23
No 124140
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Well what do you know, My FRIEND just happens to be expirementing with extracting ephedra right now. Good point though, because it seems like the day where good old sudafed will become unusable is nearing.

Nightbird
(Member)
02-20-00 12:45
No 124141
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

This is just a suggestion, but when considering a brand, buy several different ones, bring them home and weigh a pill from each one. If you can not accurately weigh 1 pill, weigh 10 pills from each brand or whatever.They vary greatly in weight. Now, consider this: If there is 20-60mg of sudo per pill, then the rest must bee shit,...right?
So, obviously choose a pill with the least amount of gunk listed on the label, but also narrow it down by weight. Less weight=less fillers and binders...

Nightbird

DR.NOODLUM
(Member)
02-20-00 16:41
No 124142
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

This is true, but even more important than the amount of fillers, is the kinds of fillers used. Large amounts of easy to remove fillers do not pose nearly as much a threat as even small amounts of diffucult to remove fillers such as povidone. You do however bring up a good point. If I have the time I may try to aquire some info on weights of different brands as well as types of fillers to put in my text. I believe it could be a big help in selecting a sudo brand to dream with.

Mthbabe
(Member)
02-21-00 17:56
No 124143
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

quote:
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Originally posted by DR.NOODLUM:
This Is For Any Newbees That Might Be Having Some Trouble Choosing A Brand Of Sudos For Their Dreams. I Will Be Adding More Brands To The List When I get The Time.
http://www.topcities.com/Science/captainm/sudos.html
GOOD LUCK TO ALL !!!

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In the area where I live, there is a store,
"pills are us" where psuedo at 60 pills
per bottle 60 MG each may be purchased at $18
per bottle...of cource this was all a dream

Sawman
(Member)
02-22-00 02:54
No 124144
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

I take it you've tried all these pill? Because I've had no luck with any time release pills. I seem to remember Fman saying something about them being more trouble than they are worth. Anyone can read the box to see if they contain suedoo. That does not mean you can extract it. There are a hundred differant pill out there that contain what you want, but they are not all extractable. Next time you should also explaine how you work-up each kind of pill so we all no how to do it... Your list is worthless to me otherwise. Sorry...

malaci
(Member)
02-22-00 05:35
No 124145
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

I'm about ready to give up on pills. Thinking about extracting from the 8% ephedra powder.I wish i had a good method for that.All i need to extract would be just around 2 grams at a time.I wonder how hard it would be to do for that amount.In my area the pills have really changed in the last month.

dwarfer
(Member)
02-22-00 09:21
No 124146
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Malaci:
An extractor can be made tht has worked for me: It's cheap AND fast.

SUPPLIES A 3/4 " plastic pipe nipple 2' long ($1.50)with two screw on end caps ($1.25) and a faucet sand screen (the screens found in faucets embeded in a neoprene washer. two for $2,50)

Ronsenal (SP?) propane lighter fill cannister $1.99

Drill one hole in each end cap: there is a drill size EXACTLY right for the propane tip: if you dont have exactly the right size drill you can melt a hole with a hot nail and glue it on.

Drill or melt a SMALLER hole in the other end cap,

at the bottom, small hole, put in the screen, and screw it on TIGHT.

Then pour an "end cap" full of --60 sand into the tube, fill with powder, screw on the upper end cap, insert and push.

PRECAUTIONS: Don't smoke

malaci
(Member)
02-22-00 12:33
No 124147
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Dwarfer are you saying to build this thing for extraction of the goodies out of the 8% ephedra powder.So the propane would be injected into the pipe.Then the propane would come in contact with the powder and run down the sand trap the end result of this would be propane and ephedrine leaving the beach waiting to be evaporated right?
Would this give pure feed and how much of the 8% powder would be needed for just a few grams.

dwarfer
(Member)
02-22-00 18:20
No 124148
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

The screen and small amount of sand just keep the output hole from being clogged with powder.
The advantage is that it is so fast: the NP is pressure pushed through the powder extracting as it goes.

The liquid evaporates quite quickly, as you might imagine, leaving behind the freebase.

Try it: then take the extracted powder and see how much more you can get out through usual means.

Dang little, in my experience.

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I thought I had re-posted this with an expansion in CM: but it ain't there.

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A future test of this technique would be to grind pills of a different type into a strongly basic paste in alcohol or water, and then dry entirely.

Regrind the dried paste and put in the tube, and proceed as above.

dwrfr

betty_crocker
(Member)
02-23-00 07:38
No 124149
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

whats ephedra?

Yomamma
(Junior Member)
02-23-00 07:44
No 124150
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Dont you think those peices are a little steep?I heard you can get like 120 tabs for under $5.00 at Wall Mart....I am very new to this so please inlighten me...
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Originally posted by DR.NOODLUM:
This Is For Any Newbees That Might Be Having Some Trouble Choosing A Brand Of Sudos For Their Dreams. I Will Be Adding More Brands To The List When I get The Time.
http://www.topcities.com/Science/captainm/sudos.html
GOOD LUCK TO ALL !!!

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dwarfer
(Member)
02-23-00 09:44
No 124151
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Betty, check this thread for information in regard to one of the most ancient of currently extant plants, Ephedra. Pictures, even!
Post No 116478

malaci
(Member)
02-23-00 14:32
No 124152
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Dwarfer you said that you have had luck with extracting from the powder or the plant?
Would it be pretty easy to do this or just a waste of time?

malaci
(Member)
02-23-00 14:59
No 124153
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

http://www.inetme.com/iom/team/myth.html

essncee
(Member)
02-25-00 09:45
No 124154
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Malaci: I'm trying to compare cost effectiveness. Is 8mg ephedra in one thing equivalent to 8 mg pseudo in another? Would a $160 purchase be a waste?
Sorry if this is too indirect.

ess

essncee
(Member)
02-25-00 09:53
No 124155
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Dwarfer: I've been looking for clear instructions on building your sand filter. Is this it?
I have everything you mentioned just sitting around. No need to visit Home Depot!

Oops! I lied....sand.. Is this real sand or sand blasting stuff or fishtank filtering material or glass beads or... I'm rambling

bty Thanks for A lot of Good Ideas.

ess

dwarfer
(Member)
02-25-00 12:17
No 124156
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

The sand trap is just a clear 16 oz plastic water bottle with the bottom cut off, and with some holes melted in the plastic top with a small nail. Fill it 1/2 way with CLEAN sand blast sand: --60 25 lb bag is maybe $3.00. The remaining space is your "working capacity": pour in your stuff and let it sit and drip into the bottom container.
(PSST: get another identical bottle and cut the TOP off: they will intersect and balance perfectly. )[poke a hole in the receiver vessel below the rim with the hot nail to assure you do not get a "vapor lock"]

Some of the plastic bottles have a little "flange" sticking out on their neck: if you get one of those you can rig it to sit on top of your filter flask, and then go to --120 sand (which is about 5X as expensive but worth it for some applications) or maybe even diatomaceous earth.

Anyway, you should be fine to start with the --60 grit.

The height of techical evolution it ain't: but effective it is: and with the trend running towards natural products it is REALLY great. Wish I'd thought about it in my old Phallaris processing days.

Good luck

dwarfer

dwarfer
(Member)
02-25-00 12:20
No 124157
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

Malaci, most ephedra plant powder that I have seen runs from 4.5 to 7 %.
Give it a try.

LaBTop
(Moderator)
02-25-00 19:59
No 124158
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

http://www.ephedra.demon.nl/
Ephedra Site with everything about Ephedra Sinica - Ma Huang. LT/
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WISDOMwillWIN

LaBTop
(Moderator)
02-25-00 20:49
No 124159
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

If you click the "chemical" link at the bottom left, you will find a wealth of info, f.e. this:
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The racemic base was resolved, by crystallization of the tartrates, into l-and d-pseudoephedrine. By isomerization of both forms, with hydrochloric acid, l-and d-ephedrine were obtained.

Fourneau and Puyal (49) prepared methylstyrene by dehydration of phenylethyl-
carbinol. The corresponding bromohydrin was reacted with methylamine; several isomeric ephedrines were obtained. The compound of mp 60°C was shown later by Fourneau and Kanao (50) to be isoephedrine, corresponding to structure 1-(methylamino)-1-phenylpropan-2-ol of Emde (51).

In 1925 Späth and Koller described a new ephedrine synthesis. Alpha-Phenyl-propylene was reacted with bromine to 1-phenyl-1,2-dibromopropane. One bromine was then substituted by methoxyl, the other by NHCH3. On hydrolysis with fuming hydrobromic acid, racemic pseudoephedrine was formed. (Compare
also Späth and Bretschneider, (261).

Kanao (71), in 1927, synthesized racemic ephedrine in excellent yields by methylating phenylpropanolamine or by reducing alpha-methylaminopropiophenone.
The first compound had been prepared by condensation of benzaldehyde with nitroethane followed by reduction. Two amines were obtained, which by methylation gave racemic ephedrine and racemic pseudoephedrine respectively.
Nagai and Kanao (17) described the syntheses of the optically active ephedrines and those of the nor- and N-methylephedrines and pseudoephedrines, following this method of preparation. Later, in 1947, Hoover and Hass (270) utilized the same reaction sequence to obtain the ephedrine bases.

The ephedrine synthesis described by Manske and Johnson (74) and by Skita and Keil (77) in 1929 is founded on a different reaction. If a mixture of alpha-phenylpropane-alpha,beta-dione and methylamine, in absolute alcohol is hydrogenated catalytically in the presence of platinum oxide (Manske) or colloidal platinum (Skita), dl-ephedrine, with a little dl-pseudoephedrine is obtained.(Get the soda kegs). The reaction has been further elaborated by Coles, Manske, and
Johnson (76), by Skita, Keil and coworkers (78, 79, 262, 263) and by Couturier (265). Manske and Johnson (75) synthesized some ephedrine homologs and resolved racemic ephedrine by means of d- and l-mandelic acid. The pure l form of this acid is prepared easily with the aid of natural ephedrine, as confirmed by Jarowski and Hartung (268).

Freudenberg, Shoeffel, and Braun (59, 60), started from d(-) mandelic acid.
The amide, with methylmagnesium iodide, gives l-phenylacetylcarbinol, which, by catalytic hydrogenation, in the presence of methylamine, yields l- ephedrine.(Get the soda kegs.). Bossert and Brode (264) synthesized l-ephedrine by reacting
1-phenyl-1-ethoxy-2-bromopropane with methylamine, followed by hydrolysis.
Sah (80) in 1938 reported a general method for the conversion of aminoacids into alkaloids of the ephedrine type. Benzylchlorocarbonate was condensed with alanine and the product transformed into the acid chloride. This substance, with phenylmagnesiumbromide, yielded a compound, which on catalytic hydrogenation with palladium and decomposition in toluene generated carbon dioxide and a mixture of racemic norephedrine and nor-pseudoephedrine.
Stevens and coworker (266, 267) studied the reduction of alpha-bromopropio-phenone with aluminum isopropylate. A bromohydrin was obtained, which with methylamine gave a small yield of dl-pseudoephedrine.

Fourneau and Benoit (55) investigated the action of methylamine on several forms of phenylpropylene oxide. A complicated mixture of ephedrines and isoephedrines was obtained.

According to Akabori and Momotani (269), a mixture of an aromatic aldehyde and an amino acid on heating yield alkamines. By means of this reaction, ephedrine and norephedrine were synthesized.

A very ingenious direct synthesis of l-ephedrine, avoiding the laborious resolution of the racemic mixture, has been devised by Hildebrandt and Klavehn (271) and described by Hamlet (272). Neuberg and Hirsch (273) in 1921 demonstrated that when equal mole of acetaldehyde and benzaldehyde are added to a carbohydrate solution actively fermenting by yeast, levorotatory
1-phenyl-2-ketopropan-1-ol, is formed. This compound on reaction with methylamine and catalytic reduction yields l-ephedrine directly.(Get the soda kegs.And beer.).

Racemic ephedrine can be separated by chromatography into the optically active forms, according to Lecoq (226). Syntheses of homologs and isomers of ephedrine have been described by Schmidt and Calliess (25), Hyde, Browning, and Adams (281), Sanchez (282), Manske and Johnson (75), Fourneau and Barrelet (53), Fourneau, Benoit and Firmenich (54), Fréon and Ser (283), Kanao (278), Beals and Gilfillan (279), Wilson and Chang (280), Lozeron (284), Mannich and Budde (285), and Lambillon (286). Skita, Ceil, and Meiner (79), prepared the nucleus-hydrogenated optically active hexahydroephedrines, by resolution of the racemic compounds with optically-active mandelic acids.
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There are many refs at the end of this page, and it opens many possibilities of synthesizing your own ephedrine. LT/

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DR.NOODLUM
(Member)
02-25-00 21:19
No 124160
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

yomamma - The prices I used for the faq are right for these brands in my area. The wal mart sudos you are thinking of are probably equate suphedrine, which contain 30mg pseudoephedrine / ea and go for 96 caps / $3.64 ( good deal but these have the infamous red coating on them and adds extra work. However, I don't think they contain providone.

dwarfer
(Member)
02-26-00 08:53
No 124161
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

HEY LT:
One of the most interesting sections of the reference, and appropriate for consideration by many, is:

"On heating ephedrine hydrochloride with 5% hydrochloric acid, under pressure, at 170-180°C (248) or with 25% acid, at 100°C, the compound is partially converted to pseudo-ephedrine (20, 32, 40).

The conversion is reversible and an equilibrium is established. According to Emde (39), the rearrangement takes place by replacement of the hydroxyl group by chlorine, followed by hydrolysis.""

This could be key to some folk's concerns about the potential of pseudo not being treated right by the palladium in the electro way.

(OR I presume, in any reduction using palladium as catalyst. )

dwarfer

beginnerx
(Member)
02-29-00 14:11
No 124162
Re: SUDAFED INFORMATION FOR NEWBEES Reply

forget psuedo, what about

Synthia
(Hive Bee)
02-06-02 09:48
No 265652
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

nice diogenes, well done, gets given a loaf of bread, slices it, and leaves some for other travellers, nice bee.

swis has used vaccuum rather than pressure in the caviest ways:

a plastic funnel with garden hose stuffed over the spout, poked tight into a plastic beer keg or solvent/petrol jerry.

poke another funnel (or open legs simulation, like refuelling in mid air) into the other airway/hole, vaccuum cleaner goes into spout/hole/airway protrution and, well sux.

the first funnel (the airtight, hose on spout one) has sand (you can charge your sand or use silica sand - glass blowers, pool care, or get dia earth maybee)

than the rest is history.

pays to know if you are doing the sand filter or sand trap thing first, but you'll figure it out if the goods temporarily disapear.

coconut (no not shell, dwafer) fibre gets used as a fiter aid i believe, ooh gets ya horney just thinking about clean rocks, makes ya want to copralate

hehe

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some bubble pack is filled with nitrogen - on this side this is good bubble pack

Synthia
(Hive Bee)
02-06-02 09:55
No 265655
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

.... oops

solvent vapour (not water) will get drawn into the vaccuum cleaner and blow-up you and your house/penthouse/crib/tent/cell.

so water is good or a bit of an ass pirater might be in order.

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some bubble pack is filled with nitrogen - on this side this is good bubble pack

goiterjoe
(Hive Addict)
02-06-02 13:30
No 265718
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

you can put a water trap inline to collect the methanol and make it nonflammable. The device would function much like a water bong; a tube would run into a water reservoir, and the vacuum tube would be connected to the top of the pipe out of the reach of the bubbling water.

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If Pacman had influenced us, we'd run around dark rooms eating pills and listen to repetitive music

Synthia
(Hive Bee)
02-07-02 15:39
No 266308
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

outstanding joe, swis's beer keg vaccuum combo is going in for a face lift.

and at least if it did smoke it wouldn't be so harsh on your throat

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i think the long reflux sounds like a bold method

Flinger
(Stranger)
02-07-02 17:06
No 266338
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

Use a simplistic water pump such as diagramed on Rods site thinking small scall use a fish water pump.\

Try this if need be.....buy a small one way port like made for a fish air pump. Get a ruber cap that fits on the shower head, yes the head part removed silly. now attach a tuby to the one way port and start the water not through the shower but yes air is getting sucked down through that orfice you will see if you understand "vacume port" You can increase vacume by increasing orfice size meaning a bigger restriction concerning tube diameter also can increase vacume pressure a whole bunch of ways employ a ribber guard into the drain of the tub screw that down like a gasket increwase water pressure etc etc works somewhat well for vacume filtering but is this really necesssary all the time??? A small fish pump pulls enough vacume pressure pressure for my needs. A series of such pumps would pull more presure if need be properly constructed and understood.

thepornmaker
(Stranger)
02-08-02 12:10
No 266706
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

i dreamed I got the best vaccume setup I have ever heard about. It's a 3/4 hp GAST vaccume pump that pulls pillz/denatured into a flask just before it would hit the pump (use 4000ml hearty-ass flask) and draw suction from tippy-top as to not get mixture in pump. She will suck the color right off the pills, no acetone/ice treatment necessairy. the pill gack makes yer filters finer, too!

goiterjoe
(Hive Addict)
02-08-02 12:54
No 266719
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

anyone ever thought about going the other way around and building a pressure filter? I was pondering the other day how to build a container that could be pressurized with pillstock inside and filtered at higher pressure. Theoretically, this could work much better than vacuum filtration, as a force greater than one atmosphere can be achieved for pushing material out. A long time ago I once put an inner tube valve in a 2 litre coke bottle and pumped it up to 150psi (with acetylene) and didn't have any problems with it. Hell, I could kick it around without it popping. PVC tubing might be eazsier to modify though. I was thinking along the lines of this. You take a 4" diameter piece of metal pipe about a 8" long, and you get screw on end caps for both ends. On one end, you drill a hole and install a tire valve stem. For the other end, you need to install a butterfly valve that is flush with the end of the pipe. You would take some fine mesh screen and cut circles in it that are just slightly larger in diameter than the inside diameter of the pipe. First, screw the endcap with the butterfly valve snugly onto the pipe. You would then take the first wire disk and push it flush into the endcap with the butterfly valve installed. Now, find some cotton balls to create an even 1/4" layer on top of the wire, and push the second wire firmly over the cotton balls to hold them in place. If you can find cotton pads in your local stores, they would probably work much better. Now, you will want to make sure the butterfly valve is closed tight and load your pipe up with crushed pillstock and cover it with methanol or preferrably isopropanol. Now screw the other lid on, shake it, and pressurize the container to whatever you have the balls to load it to. The ideal way to do this would be with CO2 instead of air, as ephedrine is somewhat soluble in CO2 and there have been a couple of articles documenting this. After you've pressurized your pipe, put it in the freezer to cool it back down and chill it some. after the pipe is really cold, you will want to hold it over a good container for your pillstock. Wearing gloves(that pipe will get cold enough to burn you), slowly release the butterfly valve so that the alcohol will be forced through the cotton filter and into the container. Repeat as necessary. A second run would be good. Also, it would be possible to use this pipe to possibly attempt to clean pills using a saturated hydrocarbon such as propane or butane, possibly in conjunction with toluene or zylene. This would require a safe area outside with no sources of spark or flame to work in, and I'm not even sure if it would work.

As a disclaimer, I have never attempted anything I just wrote, nor do I intend to at any forseeable point in the future.

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If Pacman had influenced us, we'd run around dark rooms eating pills and listen to repetitive music

dchef
(Hive Bee)
02-08-02 13:03
No 266721
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

GJ, swim does exactly that 3" pvc, cut to length you want 1 3" pvc cap to 3" thread 1 3" end cap drilled for tire schrader valve 1 3" by 1/2" reducer for other end air pump of choice teflon tape for threaded cap glue it all together use filter material of choice fill it up screw end on and pressurize fastest filter ya ever saw

Flinger
(Newbee)
02-08-02 14:53
No 266749
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

visit a dairy and ask to examine the milk filter as it gets a ton of shit outa ummm keeps shit outa your milk. What to do with all that contaminated sand worries me a lot.

goiterjoe
(Hive Addict)
02-08-02 15:53
No 266773
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

clean it and reuse it. boiling water should dissolve everything that went into those pills in the first place.

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If Pacman had influenced us, we'd run around dark rooms eating pills and listen to repetitive music

pandemonium
(Hive Bee)
02-08-02 16:02
No 266780
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

ah, hell , screw it...

Sorry comment is regarding internal dialogue, old saying "the mind is a monkey".

Or

"your cup is already full".

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Synthia
(Hive Bee)
02-08-02 20:57
No 266875
Re: Vacum & sand filters? Reply

those old sayings are good, extracting the meaning of wise comments sometimes comes when your ready to discard what you think you know.

when you think about how the mind works, among other things its amazing how much you retain.

yeeks don't get swis started on the milk, seems competition and hapiness are at odds with current milk refining techniques.

its a wonder most don't reject what you end up with, though i guess from shelf to fridge to consumption there is a lot for manufacturers to consider.

kept cold it shouldn't go off, though its tripy using milk refining as an example, with the fda and their involvement in your building blocks, makes you think about being left in the dark and wether this makes you happy and what you can do about what should be freely yours.

bump

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