Freedom of Information for Whom?

java · Consumer

I posted this at WD sometime back and thought this would go fine here..........java

Read the whole thread here and comments........

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Posted - Jan 31 2005 : 3:18:51 PM

Is there or isn't there freedom of information. I read about people trying to find ways to erase information from their computers, as if having information is against somone's law?

Information is everywhere the libraries and the web is full of it. Now you say, if in case of an infraction with the law, if they find information relative to the infraction, then it was planned. The phobia and fear of the draconians can be blinding if one falls to their fear tactics.

Information is just that , and if any LE wants to make a case of it , so beit. We should not shy away from having and storing information as it's intellectual information and it's a right we have in a civilized world,......freedom of information......

Having said all that , in the US fear FBI section 215, which will search everywhere and you can't tell anyone about it......and so one has be aware and fight this draconian law which violates human rights ....yes in the US....read about it......java
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Edited by - java on Jan 31 2005 10:02:08 PM

Lief · Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:04 am

I know someone who has gone into at least four different libraries (even after 9/11) that belong to various departments of the US federal government and ordered journals having articles in them about drug synthesis and then xeroxed them and brought them home. No one asked him anything about what he was copying. He's not doing anything illegal, of course, he's just interested in chemistry. At one of the libraries you can see the white house one block away.

java · Consumer

The library won't tell you anything, as a matter of fact they are prohibited from informing you they've checked your interests and the books you've checked out ........ java

Here is a wallet size info on your rights and what to do in case the LE ever crosses your path.......

http://rapidshare.de/files/1143444/wallet_card.pdf.html

Lief · Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:28 am

They don't know what's being copied, either. The Mexican government is corrupt. You have to bribe the police, prosecutors and judges.

nubee · Master Archiver

the US is one" country", there are many others with different states of this so called freedom... in fact i think America prides it self on being one of the more "free" countries...

in Australia there are many banned books still , i have heard from multiple people of others who have had the possesion of a book such as festers or an other of that type used against them in court as well as computers taken and anal-eyes'd.

sure , you'd have to be pretty unlucky to get prosecuted for just having information, (though they are doing it with mp3's now), but in combination with some more physical apparatus/materials, and you've got a good case of intention, without even lighting your bunsen.

Lief · Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:34 pm

Lief · Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:44 pm

One thing you need to ask yourself, java, is that if the USA is such a bad country why are there so many Mexicans trying to get into the country? Why are there so many illegal aliens in the USA? Why do more Canadians immigrate to the USA than Americans immigrating to Canada?

java · Consumer

Thanks to Wareami for posting this at WD,.....the focus is on the U.S. and it's attack on freedom at the moment....although, it's also known there is illegal government actions all over the world encroaching on freedom....stay in focus .......java

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Lief, you said: [quote]Why do more Canadians immigrate to the USA than Americans immigrating to Canada?[quote]

I guess it are economical reasons that make people move from canada to the us of A - not everone likes earning money with forest trees... Laughing

(I BET most canadians who do move to the USA do so ALTHOUGH they feel more free in canada..)

i_a

Spacemonkey · Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:20 am

>Why are there so many illegal aliens in the USA?

The USA's Assinine immigration policies maybe?

It doesn't matter how "more or less free" the US is compared to some other country.

The fact is that it's not as free as it purports to be, or more importantly, as it should be.

It doesn't matter weather the government "...is going to waste a lot of time and money checking up on millions of students and US civilians" Which by the way, IMHO they sure as hell do. Theres even been court cases about it I think.

It matters that there are laws on the books, unconstitutional laws I might add, purporting to allow them to do secret survailliance on it's own citizens.

It matters that the government is pissing on the very document that allows them exist and the principals contained therein.

It's a very simple document understandable by anyone who got past grade-school.

"Congress shall make no law.." means Congress shall make NO LAW

java · Consumer

Here is something that all will understand .....take some action , save yourself and your children ........posted by stonium over at WD.......java

http://www.aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf

slacker · Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:28 am

joe_aldehyde · huxleys associate

like guns are a solution, slacker. any of your "amendments" to the constitution mean a slick shit to congress. or how did they NOT fail to pass the patriot act?
i don't mean to personally attack you, but it is no big surprise of reading statements like yours from a person who claims to be a soldier.

if you're going to kill somebody, revenge is not far away, and it's usually not like an "ONE eye for an eye" thing. you kill somebody, somebody else will kill you and your whole family and maybe your whole people. just because they can not achieve this at the moment doesn't mean they would refrain from it at all (only if they were so much smarter than the person who started it all). that's the situation for the near and far east - unless the U.S. are gonna stop playing world police, more and more oppositional parties will gather against them, they have no choice.
Hello WW3.
and all this because the economic situation of the U.S. has been ruined by their own government. yeah, okay! so the whole world has to suffer from your possibly elected presidents' incapabilities.

and you probably never learned about the principal idea of attack and counterattack, yes? also called a "vicious circle". but hey! go shoot somebody, that might surely help. me, for a start, so i would not continue to call your attitude into question.

zub · Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:10 pm

one of the small reasons for mexicans coming to the u.s. is that we sucked their rivers dry so that americans in the south west can have golf courses and swimming pools.

its a pity to judge castro without knowing batista. cuba was the whore house of the u.s.
something had to be done before we stripped it bare, as we did in haiti.
i hate to pick on the u.s. but i can't stand arrogant bullies that refuse to learn any history.

i don't mind so much that we are vicious pricks, globally speaking...its the fucking denial and hypnotic spell that sticks in my throat.

i'm a patriot. this is how i express it today.
americans need to clean house at home.
or remain buffoons.

huge tits are over-rated

slacker · Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:19 pm