Legal implications of discussing chemistry in a chat room.

THE MOON RULES --1 · voted for the moon

As you have all seen, it appears the live chat has gone away, but I'm told it will come back. I think that is the most innovative thing I've seen, in this "scene". The advantages of talking in real time, asking questions, getting answers, is very very cool. Just think of how much faster you would have all learned if you had this sort of thing when you started. But what are the legal implications? Where swim lives talking about certain topics could be "conspiracy to commit a crime". I want to make sure that we won't be putting ourselves in jail by talking about our favorite subject. If there are any legal minded bees in here please reply and give your opinion. Confused

p6_mmc · Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:14 am

In the U.S.A , this is true , live chat is all so , hacker heaven , from yahoo , info , just talking about thing , can bee considerd as conspiracy to , with all this Home Land stuff , tracking ISP trail , goes to D.C and then where ever one wishes to go from there , Looking for Taliban , from a understanding , All is watched in the U.S.A , all goes to (C.I.A ) data base. for key words or hits if you will , correct me if this is not true . even the air waves are monitored for .........ect sorry on yahoo chat cop pose as kids to catch peep and use this info in ..........convictions (u.s.a) other country wil bee diff

Guest · Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:13 am

Advising somebody in an ongoing drug synthesis is a crime in all countries of this world, if you stand besides the person or are on the net doesnt matter. This is simply regarded as what it is: Participation in an illegal operation. There is no conspiracy needed to construct something, this is a crime and period.

A chatroom is a stupid thing to have here, to participate is even more stupid and to talk business and not only dirty schoolgirl panties is so stupid it should - and will - get punished badly.

/ORG

Lief · Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:37 am

What if the drug is legal in the country it is made in (pHarmacist at the hive said he made drugs that were perfectly legal in his country)? What if the person making the drug and/or the company he works for has the proper licenses? What if you discuss drug synthesis, but nobody synthesizes any drugs? The worst thing about these message boards is people posting things on it saying that serious crimes are being committed and the police are going to come and get you.

nubee · Master Archiver

as well there is the possibillity to have connection maps made which chow who talks to who, how much , ive seen these and they are possible with forums too, makes very easy to see who's theoritically "connected' to who and who talks to who the most,

IndoleAmine · Dreamreader Deluxe

Live chat also has the disadvantage that you wil get your answer immediately - but the person answering to your question probably won't think about what wouldbe best to say, before giving you any reply - resulting in more garbage and false information... Wink

i_a

Taz · Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:54 am

Seem's like it would be hard to prove who was actually typing in a chat conversation I mean anyone could be using your ID.

Spacemonkey · Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:36 am

Lazersnus · Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:49 am

stroknpok · Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:48 am

The problem in the US is the 'conspiracy' wording in the drug laws....

No one in the US gets busted for 'manufacturing'...that requires a witness to testify that they observed the process start to finish or the chemist has to get caught in the act....Both rare!!

However, there is a broad reach for LE under the 'attempt' clause....

And I believe that only TWO components/precursors/equipment are needed to qualify one for an 'Attempt to Manufacture' charge.......Your wife's nail polish remover and your child's cough syrup......not to mention the electric griddle for YOUR pancakes on Sunday mornings!!! Dig It!

And I hear that even discussing technique or inquiring about it will qualify one for that 'Conspiracy to..' thing....

If Swis were a Lawman, he would execute a search on George W.'s home AND office.....And likely arrest him for 'Attempted Manufacture of Controlled Substances' Laughing

See the point!? Wink

zub · Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:57 am

i wish all criminals could go away, to some weird island, and stop bothering the rest of us.

imagine how big that island would bee!

now:

inhabit the island

methyl_ethyl · Riedel De Haen

It is quite possible this "island" would harbour most of the worlds criminals.

You can find myself on a much smaller island in the mediterranean, inhabited only by non-criminal, psychonauts and the like.

much_love

methyl_ethyl

Sektor · Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:10 pm

i can see my house!

Stinging_Nettle · Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:16 am

it is too easy to take the paranoia thing the other way and think that nobody cares when actually they just want to put you behind bars. I mean how could cops not be in a place like this!

zub · Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:23 pm

yes,its all true.
i'm simply sick of fear, in the face of the larger crime(s) that are beeing perpetrated against all of us, all the time.
"they" can't put everyone in prison, can "they"?
to some extent, we're already imprisoned by this extraordinary fear.

why is it legal to drop bombs on children and illegal to discuss drug synthesis?

not to worry; i'm just an old fart rearranging my internal definitions of criminal beehaviour.

'tis hard to keep one's eyes on the prize when we aren't sure what it is.

zib out